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Message: [QUOTE="bnoro, post: 3961118, member: 71"] Clearly there's no room for nuance on this site anymore. I'm not even a Tommy defender, I wanted Shrader to win the job in camp. He didn't do that, and clearly hasn't show enough to justify playing over Tommy so far this year. Meanwhile, in two games this season, Tommy has looked poised in the pocket, has missed a few throws that cost us drives, but hasn't cost us games. That first quarter against RU had me optimistic, we had over 100 yards of offense and turnovers and penalties kept us off the scoreboard. Tommy had no business being pulled as he did nothing wrong. It's been the players around him (on offense) that have cost us games. And let's not use Zach Mahoney from 5 years ago as an example. Sean Lewis isn't here anymore. If he was, maybe we wouldn't be having these problems. Penalties and fumbles have been our issues this season, and if anything, it's more on Dino and Gilbert than him. [/QUOTE]