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I’m pretty stunned this is a thread. This is where we’re at in society? Coach chews out a player and people can’t believe it? Doesn’t matter Gattis’s title, he’s on staff, he’s a coach. Maybe you missed the 3rd qtr where Gattis and Rickie were on the bench after a drive talking together.

I’m sorry, but if you disagree you’re completely soft and my recommendation is to never attend a practice if you think that situation was uncalled for.
 
I saw Willis multiple times, Cook, Gill, JRS all get visibly upset with Collins before that.

That is a major issue that doesn't go away when not the HC, not the AHC, not the OC, not the AOC, not the QB coach chews him out.

The entire team is on the brink of exploding IMO. When an assistant coach goes off like that, it adds fuel to the fire. Fran has to make a change IMO to keep the team together and focused.
The part about Willis, Gill, etc. being upset has me the most concerned. Those are the two I saw and they were somewhere between anger and despair. The despair comes from knowing it isn’t fixable. Fran is in danger of losing the locker room.
 
Pretty clear Gattis blew up because of everything they tell and teach Collins and he still either can't do it or ignores it.

You don't blow up for the first time this season unless you're incredibly frustrated and see it happen in real-time exactly what you talked about being ignored.
 
Pretty clear Gattis blew up because of everything they tell and teach Collins and he still either can't do it or ignores it.

You don't blow up for the first time this season unless you're incredibly frustrated and see it happen in real-time exactly what you talked about being ignored.

The staff is asking Rickie to do things he can't do right now.

Yelling won't help him learn.

People can't have it both ways. On one hand, Rickie is not a P4 QB. On the other, it's good to dress him down in front of the entire team.

Grow up.

If my son wants to build a rocket ship in my backyard but doesn't know how, yelling at him won't make it happen. I need a different approach. If my son keeps forgetting to put the toilet seat down - which drives my wife nuts, by the way - then he deserves the dressing down because he knows how to do it.
 
How the heck does a guy who keeps getting fired have the nerve to dress down the QB, and by default leader of the team? How does that help Collins or the team? The players see that and will lose any respect they have left for Collins.
This is wrong. First of all, Gattis is in a coaching role on this team. His job is to help these players maximize their opportunities. This also isn’t high school, these players are not only student athletes, they are PAID EMPLOYEES. If you want the opportunity, money and attention, you have to perform or else you are going to hear about it. Should it be any different if you miss an assignment at work and your boss chews you out? Too many people (and their families) associated with this program depend on this programs success. Fair or not, Rickie didn’t have to take the offer and money that came with the responsibility.

Lastly, Gattis yelled at him on the sideline. It’s not like he went in front of a podium or to the media or to social media. Gattis did his job, it probably wasn’t the first time and sadly for Rickie and the rest of us, won’t be the last time.
 
With Gattis you shouldn't think coaches only have certain responsibilities based on their title. With the current hiring rules this is just another way of getting a coach with a lot of experience on the field.

Different people respond to different stimuli, maybe getting dressed down in front of his team in public motivates Rickie.
 
I wouldn’t put all the blame on players, this isn’t the NFL and how are kids supposed to learn if you brow beat them. Yes it is bad and sometimes people can’t learn but that was just as disrespectful like the entitled uncle… but at the same time Fran said it good yesterday about the possible need to look at plays being run as in ‘stop’ running the plays that look good versus the plays that players are good at. You adapt a team and play as a team based on strengths not their weaknesses.
 
The thing for people that disagree is that he’s not a veteran with a lot of success to rely on that would warrant getting on him for missing an open guy.

I’m all for tough love and getting on your guys - but He’s making his second career start on the road. He is well aware he’s playing like crap. He doesn’t need a coach jumping down his throat too, he needs a little support. He’s seeing ghosts and has absolutely no confidence in himself at the moment and an assistant coach jumping on him immediately isn’t going to help him find that read any better. He can’t lock in because he has nothing to lock in on. It’s a confidence issue.

Athletes talk about this all the time that they’re scared to make a mistake but there’s a big group of sports fans that are ‘manly men’ only tough love works and you’re so focused on taking your anger out on a guy you don’t even care if he succeeds moving forward you just want to take your frustration out on him. Hell, our own Kaleb Joseph has made a second career out of talking to kids about this type of behavior from coaches. Your job is to coach your guys where they are, not where you want them to be. This isn’t healthy or helpful. As my mom used to say “there’s a time and place”
Agreed. Yes these guys are getting paid and can take being yelled at if deserved, and circumstance calls for it. But that certainly seemed excessive. This has nothing to do with people’s perception that society is becoming “soft”. Coaching isnt just x’s and o’s. Part of it is getting the best out of people annd knowing the correct way to interact with your guys.

I have a hard time thinking that huge explosion on the sideline was helpful for a QB playing his second game. No Collins was not performing well in his second start, but this wasn’t a situation where a kid isn’t giving any effort or is not a team player situation that may call for it. I don’t know if he was mad because he didn’t see the open receiver or didn’t make the right read or what. You can be upset he didn’t make the play but I don’t see how THAT be little if type of reaction helps at all. People actualy think that helps the mental gymnastics that are going through a QB during the game? Accountable doesn’t have to look like that. From my vantage point, Gattis needs to do better than that. And I don’t know the circumstances for him leaving other jobs abruptly but I’d guess emotional outbursts and lack of containing them is probably part of it.
 
Serious question, what was your team's record?
Me too, so I’ll answer.

7-1-1, championship season after sucking a while in years past with some of that style coaching helping to get there, beating the #1 team in the nation to finish, several AA’s, pro shot, players of the year etc. yes 40 years ago but old school and/or good cop bad cop works as long as you console later.

and a soft really nice kid like this needs some of the tough love at this point to have any hope of improving IMHO. also IMHO he gets the first half at Pitt, if no bueno time for the youth movement.
 
Agreed. Yes these guys are getting paid and can take being yelled at if deserved, and circumstance calls for it. But that certainly seemed excessive. This has nothing to do with people’s perception that society is becoming “soft”. Coaching isnt just x’s and o’s. Part of it is getting the best out of people annd knowing the correct way to interact with your guys.

I have a hard time thinking that huge explosion on the sideline was helpful for a QB playing his second game. No Collins was not performing well in his second start, but this wasn’t a situation where a kid isn’t giving any effort or is not a team player situation that may call for it. I don’t know if he was mad because he didn’t see the open receiver or didn’t make the right read or what. You can be upset he didn’t make the play but I don’t see how THAT be little if type of reaction helps at all. People actualy think that helps the mental gymnastics that are going through a QB during the game? Accountable doesn’t have to look like that. From my vantage point, Gattis needs to do better than that. And I don’t know the circumstances for him leaving other jobs abruptly but I’d guess emotional outbursts and lack of containing them is probably part of it.
Yes it helps, maybe not that day at the time but if there is any hope for this type kid (really nice kid, probably not competitive enough based on reaction or non reaction to being #2), getting any better, He needs some of that.

And remember I believe this was after missing the end of first half touchdown, and then missing another sure fire touchdown. In other words that coaches reaction is knowing the kid just contributed mightily to losing the game for your team.

And not with expecting any superman type of performance, just basic stuff. Id reacted the same, very frustrating
 
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Agreed. Yes these guys are getting paid and can take being yelled at if deserved, and circumstance calls for it. But that certainly seemed excessive. This has nothing to do with people’s perception that society is becoming “soft”. Coaching isnt just x’s and o’s. Part of it is getting the best out of people annd knowing the correct way to interact with your guys.

I have a hard time thinking that huge explosion on the sideline was helpful for a QB playing his second game. No Collins was not performing well in his second start, but this wasn’t a situation where a kid isn’t giving any effort or is not a team player situation that may call for it. I don’t know if he was mad because he didn’t see the open receiver or didn’t make the right read or what. You can be upset he didn’t make the play but I don’t see how THAT be little if type of reaction helps at all. People actualy think that helps the mental gymnastics that are going through a QB during the game? Accountable doesn’t have to look like that. From my vantage point, Gattis needs to do better than that. And I don’t know the circumstances for him leaving other jobs abruptly but I’d guess emotional outbursts and lack of containing them is probably part of it.

His worst stretch IMO was the drive after the INT. Out of all the plays he screwed up in the first half, the one that he got chewed out was probably the least.
 
Me too, so I’ll answer.

7-1-1, championship season after sucking a while in years past with some of that style coaching helping to get there, beating the #1 team in the nation to finish, several AA’s, pro shot, players of the year etc. yes 40 years ago but old school and/or good cop bad cop works as long as you console later.

and a soft really nice kid like this needs some of the tough love at this point to have any hope of improving IMHO. also IMHO he gets the first half at Pitt, if no bueno time for the youth movement.

Me to. I got cussed out at times, mostly confined to practice, but undressed one time in the middle of a game on the field because I let a returnable punt go over my head. Not only undressed in front of everybody but then benched as the punt returner for the rest of the year. We were a 7-1 club as well two years in a row with two league championships.

Interesting the success rate of teams with tough love coaching staffs. To this day those were the best coaches I ever played for in any sport and I was a college athlete. My one tough love college coach has national championships on his resume.
 
I’m pretty stunned this is a thread. This is where we’re at in society? Coach chews out a player and people can’t believe it? Doesn’t matter Gattis’s title, he’s on staff, he’s a coach. Maybe you missed the 3rd qtr where Gattis and Rickie were on the bench after a drive talking together.

I’m sorry, but if you disagree you’re completely soft and my recommendation is to never attend a practice if you think that situation was uncalled for.
Well said. This isn’t candy land. It’s about winning and losing games. As it stands, Rickie doesn’t give them a chance to win
 
FWIW Collins was chewed out at the end of the 1st half and played better in the 2nd half. Not certain it was a correlation, but he definitely wasn't worse after being chewed out

Really?

1st Drive
Inc, Sack, 13 yard run

2nd Drive
Inc, Sack

3rd Drive
Inc, 3 yard run, Inc

So he was 0-3, sacked twice, and ran twice for 16 yards. As a team we ran 11 plays for 8 yards on those 3 drives.

He played better after 31-3 much like playing better down 38-3 to Duke.

For the season:


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