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Going to win 6. Shredder and Tuck complete bad asses. More Hawaii lineman please.

Better than what Devito would have done

at least we were in it.

I don’t mind losing games when we are at least competitive.

SHRADER IS THE MAN
Did i say anything about devito? if you knew me you know i root for Morgan the most. But keep rubbing yourself about exciting losses while thinking about how worse it would be with another QB
 

More Hawaii lineman please.


understand we have a verbal from this kid from MECCALEKKA HIGH

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so its okay we lost because it was fun? for a bunch of people who get upset that players dont have that "gamer mentality" we sure have a lot of fans who are okay we lose if we look ok and the game is exciting

It's ridiculous, part of the reason we're stuck where we are. Hey our coach bumble fe'd us to another loss in year 6 but were gonna win six because??????
 
DB made a horrible call that he cannot honesty defend. However white needed to bring pressure which he did not that allowed Hartman time.
We need a punter and AS is regressing in the kicking game. Not sure we can fix that this season.
 
so its okay we lost because it was fun? for a bunch of people who get upset that players dont have that "gamer mentality" we sure have a lot of fans who are okay we lose if we look ok and the game is exciting

WE HAVEN'T BEEN COMPETITIVE IN YEARS.

WE WON 1 GAME LAST YEAR.

NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT LOSING.

THESE LAST 3 GAMES HAVE BEEN ABOUT HAVING HOPE, AND BEING COMPETITIVE VS. DECENT TEAMS.
 
Also hurt that we had three starting Oline men out. Bleech, AS and Tinsdale. Ellis did really well for first real game action but he needs more time. Ilola did well but again needs more time.

some people are knocking GS. We have been in the last 3 games because of GS. Yes passes are not great but he had some decent throws. As has been said repeatedly we need to use the TE to help him. We have one 6’4 and one 6’7. Benson got targeted once at the line of scrimmage. If they do not use the TE it will continue to limit the O.
GS is super tuff. Takes a beating but will not come out voluntarily even if hurt.
 
Also hurt that we had three starting Oline men out. Bleech, AS and Tinsdale. Ellis did really well for first real game action but he needs more time. Ilola did well but again needs more time.

some people are knocking GS. We have been in the last 3 games because of GS. Yes passes are not great but he had some decent throws. As has been said repeatedly we need to use the TE to help him. We have one 6’4 and one 6’7. Benson got targeted once at the line of scrimmage. If they do not use the TE it will continue to limit the O.
GS is super tuff. Takes a beating but will not come out voluntarily even if hurt.
Where have you seen people knock GS besides in game threads this week? its all been worry at most that he will get hurt and be out.
 
It's year 6 signs of improvement are year 2 and 3, at what point will some of you stop defending Dino
If he wasn’t changing coaches, QBs, philosophies, etc you’d have more of a point

where did this DC come from? GS? New OC? I mean, kill his time management, but it’s not like he’s stood still and we’re not getting better
 
It's year 6 signs of improvement are year 2 and 3, at what point will some of you stop defending Dino

He has ACC athletes all over the field that he brought in as people whine about recruiting rankings. Gone toe to toe the last 2 weeks. Need to clean up those 50 / 50 calls. And our QB may look 35 but he has two more years after this.
 
He has ACC athletes all over the field that he brought in as people whine about recruiting rankings. Gone toe to toe the last 2 weeks. Need to clean up those 50 / 50 calls. And our QB may look 35 but he has two more years after this.
Outside of wideout (still severely lacking), there is playmaking out there. Especially now that shrader has stepped up. The coaching decisions are now the main problem I have.
 
Also hurt that we had three starting Oline men out. Bleech, AS and Tinsdale. Ellis did really well for first real game action but he needs more time. Ilola did well but again needs more time.

some people are knocking GS. We have been in the last 3 games because of GS. Yes passes are not great but he had some decent throws. As has been said repeatedly we need to use the TE to help him. We have one 6’4 and one 6’7. Benson got targeted once at the line of scrimmage. If they do not use the TE it will continue to limit the O.
GS is super tuff. Takes a beating but will not come out voluntarily even if hurt.
And Elmore really makes the team play 10 on 11, he is only a blocker. Most of the time we have 4 WR and Elmore. Would like to run some sets with Mang and Benson, with 3 WR. At least you can throw to Mang and Benson.
 
Defense solid. Yeah Dino is a bonehead but he ain’t going anywhere. Quit your bitching that was a great game and enjoyable entertainment. Don’t give a
Most of the night rolling with Bergeron, the Island, Josh, a dinged up Dakota, and Vet. And ran for over 300.

thats impressive. Like a said earlier this week, an average passing game and this is a damn good team

when Bliech is healthy I’m kicking Dakota to RT, and the island is going to right guard.
 
It's year 6 signs of improvement are year 2 and 3, at what point will some of you stop defending Dino
After I see the full season
I try to keep a level head all season long
Rutgers was a real low
I think we’ve make some good progress the last weeks
I’m clearly not an expert on when to fire a coach but firing Dino in this season is not happening
 
We played maybe as well as we can at this point the last two games….. and lost. We’re going to play even better for 3 more games to get to a bowl game? Is the coaching staff being replaced because we’d have 5 wins with a staff that wasn’t incompetent
 
Clemson coming off of a bye while we have a short week and plenty of injuries isn’t good. Assume 3-4 and VT played ND tough. I had visions of a 8 win season but I have to scrap that. 6 will be tough but doable.
 
This game proved a couple things to me.

1. This is a very good team we have. Absolutely gutted that we are 3-3 when we just as easily could be 6-0. The worst part is I don’t think it’s the players fault. Decision making from the staff is what is holding us back. Unacceptable, but You have to learn how to win.

2. this team can beat anybody remaining on the schedule. If we don’t win 6 games after how we looked today then Dino should really be fired. If you can’t win 6 games with this team there is something seriously wrong.

3. injuries and transfers to Carter and Labrosse at the safety position has forced the weak link on the defense to get abused. Imagine if we had 1 of those guys playing or could have got Rene in the portam

4. Kalan Ellis is an absolute truck. Haven’t seen such a great combo of road graders at the OG position in a while. Ellis, Bleich, Davis all exceptional , and they aren’t even the best lineman, that goes to Bergeron.

5. Shrader and Tucker compliment each other wonderfully. What a 1-2 punch we have running behind that OL.

6. Sharod Johnson playing over Damien Alford is criminal. Another decision I would love to have Dino expand on .
 
Very little chance that we DONT win 6 games with this team. Tonight sucked though. It’s about 70/30 we go 6-6 in my opinion
We got guys dropping like flies on the offensive side of the ball. Our window is rapidly shrinking to go bowling. We need our bye week now and unfortunately we have 3 weeks to go.
 
Defense solid. Yeah Dino is a bonehead but he ain’t going anywhere. Quit your bitching that was a great game and enjoyable entertainment. Don’t give a
It is interesting that you say the defense is solid after they give up 40 points. We are 13th out of 14 teams in the ACC verusus conference opponents in total scoring defense (giving up 36.5 ppg). We look good on rushing and passing D but we give up two many points to have a chance to win. Something is not quite right and I am afraid we may have some vulnerabilities in the young secondary.
 
This game proved a couple things to me.

1. This is a very good team we have. Absolutely gutted that we are 3-3 when we just as easily could be 6-0. The worst part is I don’t think it’s the players fault. Decision making from the staff is what is holding us back. Unacceptable, but You have to learn how to win.

2. this team can beat anybody remaining on the schedule. If we don’t win 6 games after how we looked today then Dino should really be fired. If you can’t win 6 games with this team there is something seriously wrong.

3. injuries and transfers to Carter and Labrosse at the safety position has forced the weak link on the defense to get abused. Imagine if we had 1 of those guys playing or could have got Rene in the portam

4. Kalan Ellis is an absolute truck. Haven’t seen such a great combo of road graders at the OG position in a while. Ellis, Bleich, Davis all exceptional , and they aren’t even the best lineman, that goes to Bergeron.

5. Shrader and Tucker compliment each other wonderfully. What a 1-2 punch we have running behind that OL.

6. Sharod Johnson playing over Damien Alford is criminal. Another decision I would love to have Dino expand on .

i agree with all this but especially #1 and #2. The question isn’t whether we have a good team. The question is, whether we have a staff capable of taking the team we have as far or as close to as far they should be able to go. The answer to that is no. At absolute worse this is a 4 win team and I think 5 wins. I don’t say 6, even we could be at 6 because I know mistakes happen and you can’t expect every close game to go your way.

This coaching staff is the biggest obstacle to these players success.
 
This game proved a couple things to me.

1. This is a very good team we have. Absolutely gutted that we are 3-3 when we just as easily could be 6-0. The worst part is I don’t think it’s the players fault. Decision making from the staff is what is holding us back. Unacceptable, but You have to learn how to win.

2. this team can beat anybody remaining on the schedule. If we don’t win 6 games after how we looked today then Dino should really be fired. If you can’t win 6 games with this team there is something seriously wrong.

3. injuries and transfers to Carter and Labrosse at the safety position has forced the weak link on the defense to get abused. Imagine if we had 1 of those guys playing or could have got Rene in the portam

4. Kalan Ellis is an absolute truck. Haven’t seen such a great combo of road graders at the OG position in a while. Ellis, Bleich, Davis all exceptional , and they aren’t even the best lineman, that goes to Bergeron.

5. Shrader and Tucker compliment each other wonderfully. What a 1-2 punch we have running behind that OL.

6. Sharod Johnson playing over Damien Alford is criminal. Another decision I would love to have Dino expand on .

Agree with all of this but zeroing in on your second point. I worry we will be a very good 3-9 team vs a very good 6-6 team. Coaching and specials have played a big role in not being 6-0.
 
Also hurt that we had three starting Oline men out. Bleech, AS and Tinsdale. Ellis did really well for first real game action but he needs more time. Ilola did well but again needs more time.

some people are knocking GS. We have been in the last 3 games because of GS. Yes passes are not great but he had some decent throws. As has been said repeatedly we need to use the TE to help him. We have one 6’4 and one 6’7. Benson got targeted once at the line of scrimmage. If they do not use the TE it will continue to limit the O.
GS is super tuff. Takes a beating but will not come out voluntarily even if hurt.

DB made a horrible call that he cannot honesty defend. However white needed to bring pressure which he did not that allowed Hartman time.
We need a punter and AS is regressing in the kicking game. Not sure we can fix that this season.

I agree with the items noted by AO above.

Ultimately, the buck stops with the head coach, but this loss was not totally on Dino.

Special teams have let them down this year. The team needs a full-time special teams coach, in my opinion. Punting this season has flat out hurt the team and impacted games. Can you blame Dino for that? You could blame Dino for not having a P5 punter on the roster, but I think James Williams was better earlier in the year. I don't know what's going on now. Neither of those freshman backups should set foot on the field again. Can you blame Dino for the regression of Andre Szmyt? Szmyt's left some points on the field at inopportune times this year. I would also like to see an accounting of the net loss of yards caused by Pena running back kickoffs from the one or two yard line rather than fair-catching and getting the ball at the 25. I suspect that has hurt the field-position battle. Is that on Dino? I really don't know.

Dino didn't make Cooper Lutz fumble.

The people who say Dino should have gone for it on (pick any) fourth down (in this game or any other) are the same ones that say things like the only reason we won the Liberty game was that Freeze handed it to us with his "bonehead" decision to go for it on fourth instead of kicking the field goal. As is common on fan forums, these posters want it both ways.

While the o-line is much improved at run blocking this year, they still don't seem able to protect the quarterback very well in obvious passing situations. Dino wasn't out there standing between Wake's d-line and Shrader late. Shrader was hit a lot and look confused in a number of late-game pressure situations. Nonetheless, the o-line was missing starters and still looked o.k.; I think yesterday, with the play of Ellis and Ilaoa (sp), we see that there is some good young depth there.

Shrader played 1 year as a P5 QB, didn't play QB for a year, and has now completed three games as a starting QB at SU. In that time he's had three different offensive systems to learn. He is young and relatively inexperienced, but he has improved every game. There is no where to go but up.

The defense was stout early in the season, but now, down some players and against better competition (FSU and Wake) they are starting to show their youth, particularly the secondary. The defense gave up too many long passes. Posters are saying Dino's acceptance of that penalty cost them the game and that the Dino didn't put the players in a position to win. I think putting the opposing offense in a 3 and 23, out of field goal range, is putting your defense in a position to win. However, I do think whoever called that prevent defense, whether Dino or White, made a mistake. (But, I'm no expert.)

I don't have a good enough memory to summarize all Dino's decisions and clock management issues. Also, it's been done above and in other threads ad nauseum.

Plusses for Dino? This isn't worth much, but he's a damn likable guy. I've been around a vast array of people in my life and he is somebody that, if I met him, I think I'd really like. He changed his two coordinators and brought in a some new coaches, most importantly a new o-line coach. He made the hard decision of starting Shrader at a time when it wasn't clear what we had in this guy. The players he's recruited that are here now seem to be ACC-level talent.

Is Dino perfect? No. Do I defend all his decisions? No. Is he the best in-game/clock manager? No. Do I think he should be fired? No. He has recruited a bunch of good, young cats and they're balling and playing hard. This team could easily be 6-0, 5-1 or 4-2. (Don't forget the jobbing by the refs during Rutgers and FSU.) Yes, they shouldn't put themselves in a position where the refs can impact the outcome of a game, but they did and the refs sucked. The offense is starting to open up and has scored 30+ points in two consecutive ACC games. That's obvious improvement. Will it be enough to win games in the ACC? We'll see. They have been in every game and have been in a position at the end where they could have won.

The team is 3-3 and have lost each of their first two ACC games by 3 points. To me that is improvement over what occurred in 2019 & 2020. I am looking forward to what happens next week and beyond.

The negativity on this board is ridiculous. I don't know why some of these posters even watch or follow this team. If the players had their attitudes, they wouldn't even come out of tunnel. One set back during the game and they're shouting, "It's OVER! Fire the coach!" Halfway into the season, two games into the ACC slate, and they're shouting, "The season's OVER! We're not winning another game! Fire the coach!" R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S.

I like this team. It's enjoyable to watch a game where they have a chance to win. I think it'll be fun to see what they'll become. I hope they become a winning football team.

Unlike many here, I don't think winning is the be all and end all of everything. Winning for a student-athlete is more than just what happens on the field. SU is not Alabama. Most of the athletes on the team will not become professional football players, but they will have received a first-rate education, made friends for life and, at a minimum, earned a doctorate in dealing with adversity. After serving in the military, I was able to afford college. For me, my college education was a path out of poverty and into the upper-middle class. Don't underestimate what just being at SU is giving to these student-athletes. Don't underestimate what the university just being in Syracuse gives to the community. Just try to have a modicum of perspective. Of course, I'd like to see the team overcome their obstacles and win. I'd like it for the sake of the players, the coaches, and the community up there in Syracuse. But it doesn't always happen and I realize there's more important things in life than winning football games. (Oh my God, this sounds like Shafer's "ISIS" moment! *cringes*)

I'll continue to watch and pull for this team, even if they continue to struggle, because that's what fans do. They support their team. LGO!
 
Defense solid. Yeah Dino is a bonehead but he ain’t going anywhere. Quit your bitching that was a great game and enjoyable entertainment. Don’t give a
I disagree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
There was little enjoyable about yesterday's game.
Do you enjoy the coach giving away a victory?
A half filled dome says a lot of people give a and are staying away.
And the recruits (60th ranked class)don't see much enjoyment either.
Do you think guys like Howard and LaBrosse were wrong to give a and leave?
If you go to a restaurant and the service is slow and the food cold, DO YOU GO BACK?
There is talent. There is poor preparation. There is poor in game management.
All were on display yesterday. If commenting on this reality is "bitching", maybe the bar
is set a bit low.
 

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