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Message: [QUOTE="sabach, post: 1543706, member: 866"] An undefeated Big 12 champion will make the playoff ahead of ND at 11-1. A once beaten Big 12 champion will not. As long as ND wins out (by beating Stanford) and the Big 12 does not have an undefeated champion, ND is in and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are out of the playoff. If however an 11-1 ND is left out, that has no bearing on ND looking to join a conference. ND will only begin to consider independence if and when they go 12-0 and are out of the playoffs. [/QUOTE]