Greg Robinson Recruiting

[OrangePA]

It seems that Bees and others from time to time defend Greg Robinson as a recruiter.

I've always dismissed that kind of thinking, while focusing on GR's won-loss record.

Well, it's a dull Friday night and I decided to do a little research.

So, in 2008 - when most figured that Greg Robinson was facing his final season in the Hill, the former coach brought in some decent players.

Antwon Bailey, Dorian Graham, Mikail Marinovich, Carl Cutler, Ian Allport, Cory Boatman, Chandler Jones, Ryan Nassib, Marcus Sales, David Stevens, Dan Vaughn.

Also Michael Jones, Romale Tucker and Averin Collier were part of that class .

Decent, but not great obviously.

But better than I recalled.

Still, it seems clear that this year in particular, Marrone has brought in a larger number of bigger, longer and faster players.

 

[rrlbees]

It seems that Bees and others from time to time defend Greg Robinson as a recruiter.

I've always dismissed that kind of thinking, while focusing on GR's won-loss record.

It is defensible. He brought in some pretty darn good players. Saying he was a decent recruiter doesn't have anything to do with wins and losses. He lost, that's pretty simple to see whether he was a great, good or bad recruiter. This class looks good, but only time will tell and in the grand scheme of things is not much different that the past several years. Lets see if they can be coached up. Let me know if you want a complete list of players that have made nice contributions over the past 3 years.

 

[bnoro]

Antwon Bailey, Dorian Graham, Mikail Marinovich, Carl Cutler, Ian Allport, Cory Boatman, Chandler Jones, Ryan Nassib, Marcus Sales, David Stevens, Dan Vaughn.

Also Michael Jones, Romale Tucker and Averin Collier were part of that class .

You forgot Jarel Lowery, Austin Wallis, Jeremiah Harden, Tyrell Harris, Nick Speller, Shane Kimmel, Deandre Preaster, Matt Jones, Grant Mayes, and Michael Kay.

So he was pretty much less than 50/50... And Boatman, Allport, Stevens, and Vaughan have been barely playable.

 

[OrangePA]

You forgot Jarel Lowery, Austin Wallis, Jeremiah Harden, Tyrell Harris, Nick Speller, Shane Kimmel, Deandre Preaster, Matt Jones, Grant Mayes, and Michael Kay.

So he was pretty much less than 50/50... And Boatman, Allport, Stevens, and Vaughan have been barely playable.

Vaughn started last year at LB, Stevens has become a decent target at TE and Boatman plays decent amount.

As I said, decent, not great, but perhaps better than I recalled.

 

[CIL]

The issue with Robinson's recruiting was the astounding lack of depth in his classes, same thing that hurt P in last few years.

 

[All4SU]

Seems to me that GRob was a "decent" recruiter, and was successful at inking a number of highly regarded recruits -- Collier, Preaster, the 5* linebacker whose names escapes me at the moment. And several others. The problem was that most of those top recruits never panned out -- never matriculated, had health issues, had commitment issues, etc. The meat of his classes don't compare favorably to the meat of HCDM's classes, but HCDM's classes seem to lack many star names (for now, I hope). We need a few of those, and we need them to actually play for us.

 

[Moontan]

Jermaine Pierce.

 

[All4SU]

Jermaine Pierce.

Bingo.

 

[rosconey]

the only nuggets of hope have been groobers kids so far

 

[qdawgg]

the only nuggets of hope have been groobers kids so far

If you ever knew what you were talking about you would be dangerous.

 

[rosconey]

If you ever knew what you were talking about you would be dangerous.

unlike a know it all-tell me when you hit the lotto

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Bailey is the only one of that group I would applaud -- every dog can find a bone every now and then. GRob's recruiting is just another reason why it will take so long to rebuild this team.

 

[TX Citrus]

GROB's failure wasn't so much that he didn't recruit good players, it was that he couldn't develop the players once they were on campus. We were teased by players like Andrew Robinson, Nick Chestnut, Grant Mayes, Parker Canty who "flashed" some talent as freshman but never got any better. Everyone loves Max Suter but his career highlight was setting the kickoff return yardage record as a freshman. Doug didn't necessarily bring in a team of 4 stars but he was able to squeeze a lot more talent out of Robinson's players. Guys like D'Amon Merkerson, Anthony Perkins, Andrew Lewis turned into solid contributers while Doug Houge and Derrell Smith became NFL players.

 

[TX Citrus]

To be a successful coach, you need bring in the best 18 years olds you can through recruiting, but the real measure is how good the players are when they're 21 year old juniors and seniors. Doug definitely seems to have a focus on bringing in taller, longer and hopefully faster athletes that have room to grow. Nick Saban's the best because not only does he get the 5 stars, he makes those players better, whereas Charlie Weis brought in a ton of stud players but couldn't make them any better.

 

[rrlbees]

Bailey is the only one of that group I would applaud -- every dog can find a bone every now and then. GRob's recruiting is just another reason why it will take so long to rebuild this team.

Bailey only? And that was finding a bone? Do you follow SU? Weren't you as impressed with

Taj Smith (NFL)
Mike Williams (NFL)
Delone Carter (NFL)
Doug Hogue (NFL)
Mike Holmes (NFL)
Justin Pugh (All BE)
Chandler Jones (will be NFL)
Alec Lemon (All BE and will leave SU with reception records)
Derrell Smith (All BE)
Nick Provo (All BE)
Nick Speller (freshman AA)
Rob Long (4 year starter)
Ryan Nassib (3 year starter)
M Marinovich (3 year starter)
Max Suter (3 year starter)
Ryan Bartholomew (3 year starter)

Or guys that were starters or contributed significantly to the bowl year?
Dan Vaughan
M Sales
D Graham
Bud Tribbey
Van Chew
Cody Catalina
Andrew Robinson

 

[cusestudent]

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Bailey only? And that was finding a bone? Do you follow SU? Weren't you as impressed with

Taj Smith (NFL)
Mike Williams (NFL)
Delone Carter (NFL)
Doug Hogue (NFL)
Mike Holmes (NFL)
Justin Pugh (All BE)
Chandler Jones (will be NFL)
Alec Lemon (All BE and will leave SU with reception records)
Derrell Smith (All BE)
Nick Provo (All BE)
Nick Speller (freshman AA)
Rob Long (4 year starter)
Ryan Nassib (3 year starter)
M Marinovich (3 year starter)
Max Suter (3 year starter)
Ryan Bartholomew (3 year starter)

Or guys that were starters or contributed significantly to the bowl year?
Dan Vaughan
M Sales
D Graham
Bud Tribbey
Van Chew
Cody Catalina
Andrew Robinson

At the same time...all the teams they played on were not that good...put those teams in any other BCS conference and we don't even go to a bowl game two years ago. This is the Big East their playing in, not the powerhouse conference MacPherson, Graves, and McNabb played in. Mike Williams is the only person on that list that people from outside the program have probably heard of at the NFL level.

 

[rrlbees]

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At the same time...all the teams they played on were not that good...put those teams in any other BCS conference and we don't even go to a bowl game two years ago. This is the Big East their playing in, not the powerhouse conference MacPherson, Graves, and McNabb played in. Mike Williams is the only person on that list that people from outside the program have probably heard of at the NFL level.

Guess what? We still play in the BE and came in last this year. I don't get you post at all. What does playing in the BE have to do with whether some players other than Bailey were good?

 

[cusestudent]

Guess what? We still play in the BE and came in last this year. I don't get you post at all. What does playing in the BE have to do with whether some players other than Bailey were good?

The quality of talent compared to other conferences are down, so most of the guys you listed I'd be willing to bet would never start or be in the two deep at the top half of the ACC, B1G, Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 outside of Mike Williams, Delone Carter, Nick Provo, Rob Long, and maybe Justin Pugh.

 

[rrlbees]

The quality of talent compared to other conferences are down, so most of the guys you listed I'd be willing to bet would never start or be in the two deep at the top half of the ACC, B1G, Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 outside of Mike Williams, Delone Carter, Nick Provo, Rob Long, and maybe Justin Pugh.

Well you yourself just listed more than Bailey. There are others who could play elsewhere. You don't think Jones could? With your criteria, who have we recruited in the past few years that could play at the top half of the power conference teams?

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[cusestudent]

Well you yourself just listed more than Bailey. There are others who could play elsewhere. You don't think Jones could? With your criteria, who have we recruited in the past few years that could play at the top half of the power conference teams?

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It's too soon to know yet, but probably Spruill and Pugh for sure. Davis and Lynch have shown that they can really good once they learn the position. Other than that we haven't seen enough of anyone else to really know. Honestly, Chandler Jones wasn't even that talented in the Big East let alone the power conferences. GRob's recruits simply did not pan out and I wasn't old enough to understand what was going on at the time, but I have heard that many of his big name kids weren't really getting interest from the big schools toward the end of their recruitment. We can argue about it all day, but I'll agree to disagree. I think the talent of this program and the conference would get dismantled against the better schools in the power conferences, and it has been shown time and again. We're having trouble winning on a really soft schedule...Rutgers being a conference championship contender on a yearly or any basis really sums up how far the conference has fallen.

 

[rrlbees]

It's too soon to know yet, but probably Spruill and Pugh for sure. Davis and Lynch have shown that they can really good once they learn the position. Other than that we haven't seen enough of anyone else to really know. Honestly, Chandler Jones wasn't even that talented in the Big East let alone the power conferences. GRob's recruits simply did not pan out and I wasn't old enough to understand what was going on at the time, but I have heard that many of his big name kids weren't really getting interest from the big schools toward the end of their recruitment. We can argue about it all day, but I'll agree to disagree. I think the talent of this program and the conference would get dismantled against the better schools in the power conferences, and it has been shown time and again. We're having trouble winning on a really soft schedule...Rutgers being a conference championship contender on a yearly or any basis really sums up how far the conference has fallen.

Pugh was GRob and you already listed him. For Jones not being any good, he's going to be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round, that's pretty good. Don't know how it's too soon yet to evaluate any of them, some are going to be seniors and many juniors. But you are wrong, we have had a lot more talent than just Bailey. Guys make the NFL, make All conference, make AA and you don't think they are any good. Strange.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Bailey only? And that was finding a bone? Do you follow SU? Weren't you as impressed with

Taj Smith (NFL)
Mike Williams (NFL)
Delone Carter (NFL)
Doug Hogue (NFL)
Mike Holmes (NFL)
Justin Pugh (All BE)
Chandler Jones (will be NFL)
Alec Lemon (All BE and will leave SU with reception records)
Derrell Smith (All BE)
Nick Provo (All BE)
Nick Speller (freshman AA)
Rob Long (4 year starter)
Ryan Nassib (3 year starter)
M Marinovich (3 year starter)
Max Suter (3 year starter)
Ryan Bartholomew (3 year starter)

Or guys that were starters or contributed significantly to the bowl year?
Dan Vaughan
M Sales
D Graham
Bud Tribbey
Van Chew
Cody Catalina
Andrew Robinson

I was replying to the group listed. If you weren't so keen on being right you might have noticed that.

 

[anglerman]

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Pugh was GRob and you already listed him. For Jones not being any good, he's going to be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round, that's pretty good. Don't know how it's too soon yet to evaluate any of them, some are going to be seniors and many juniors. But you are wrong, we have had a lot more talent than just Bailey. Guys make the NFL, make All conference, make AA and you don't think they are any good. Strange.

Bailey wasn't very good at all this year he was terrible. Bees once again you show that you are the only remaing fan of GROB as you once again defend him. Face it he was the worst coach in the. Country and a complete disaster for both SU and Michigan A total disaster so please stop defending this man that ruined our school.

 

[rrlbees]

I was replying to the group listed. If you weren't so keen on being right you might have noticed that.

I did notice even though you didn't quote any particular post, so I assumed you meant the OP where you left out Jones who will be drafted far higher than Bailey, if Bailey gets drafted. If Sales can stay on the field he has a shot at the NFL too. And you added that every dog finds a bone, so that opened it up even further and you finished with GRob's recruiting is a reason why it will take the program so long to rebuild, so you opened it up to all the recruits. So I was right to include all his recruits and the fact they weren't as bad as you make it sound and to date, nothing has been shown that it has gotten any better.

 

[rrlbees]

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Bailey wasn't very good at all this year he was terrible. Bees once again you show that you are the only remaing fan of GROB as you once again defend him. Face it he was the worst coach in the. Country and a complete disaster for both SU and Michigan A total disaster so please stop defending this man that ruined our school.

LOL. Show me one post that defends his record. You can't and this thread wasn't about his record. It wasn't about Bailey either and if you think Bailey sucked, tell the poster who said he was the only good one. So what am I defending again? Shouldn't you be on the basketball board making another post about Scoop being the worst PG ever at SU? :rolling: