Hackett-

[Jake]

Overall called a good game. Not sure I would have gone to the end zone on third down in fg range to take the lead- that was ballsy.

My only issue was the series after the sack fumble. Needed points there, got an inside handoff.

Nw went right to the end zone with their turnover.

Overall I see improvement in the team, but dammit we need wins. Very disappointed in the outcome.

In the two punt returns, reddish didn't keep contain and both times got slightly
nudged in the back. Iffy non-calls. But if reddish takes proper containment angles it's not an issue.

How the frick do you spend a jillion dollars on ribbon boards and not read the directions on how to use them for player stats and out of town scores.? W.T..

Hurry up offenses are going to produce false starts the first few games. Need to correct that, but I get it.

Thought the coaching staff had a rough day with substitutions and personnel. We only had ten guys on the field for one punt return and the 12 men on the field is unacceptable.

Not sure if anyone noticed on the last drive - and this was making me batshit crazy - reddish lost his helmet on a play and had to come out. But after he sat one play he never came back in. We had our best cover corner on the sideline the final 6-7 plays of that drive. How can that be???? Someone on the staff needs to notice that and alert someone.

 

[Millhouse]

Overall called a good game. Not sure I would have gone to the end zone on third down in fg range to take the lead- that was ballsy.

My only issue was the series after the sack fumble. Needed points there, got an inside handoff.

Nw went right to the end zone with their turnover.

Overall I see improvement in the team, but dammit we need wins. Very disappointed in the outcome.

In the two punt returns, reddish didn't keep contain and both times got slightly
nudged in the back. Iffy non-calls. But if reddish takes proper containment angles it's not an issue.

How the frick do you spend a jillion dollars on ribbon boards and not read the directions on how to use them for player stats and out of town scores.? W.T..

Hurry up offenses are going to produce false starts the first few games. Need to correct that, but I get it.

Thought the coaching staff had a rough day with substitutions and personnel. We only had ten guys on the field for one punt return and the 12 men on the field is unacceptable.

Not sure if anyone noticed on the last drive - and this was making me batshit crazy - reddish lost his helmet on a play and had to come out. But after he sat one play he never came back in. We had our best cover corner on the sideline the final 6-7 plays of that drive. How can that be???? Someone on the staff needs to notice that and alert someone.

when three heavy guys surrounding the punter, it has to hurt coverage downfield. i hate that formation. we caught a break from their own miscue.

 

[MattyL]

when three heavy guys surrounding the punter, it has to hurt coverage downfield. i hate that formation. we caught a break from their own miscue.

This is my single biggest complaint from yesterdays game. If you look at the punt coverage unit, we have punter, long snapper, and 3 "heavy guys" that eventually have to be ready to make a play. That's 5 out of 11 that, in my book, simply aren't athletic enough to make tackles. The 3 protectors should be replaced by guys like Coker, Vigille, Vaughn, etc who can run down and make a difference on the coverage.

 

[SmilinBob]

Agree on the big guys, it was almost like 7 guys and a punter trying to tackle the returner. I think they didn't face a returner like that in practice and it burned us in the game...USC can do this too so they have to make these adjustments.

Regarding Hackett...he got more reps and you can do a heck of a lot more when that happens. I did not like the runs in the first series...nice tightend play and then bamm...the runs. That said, he adjusted and that is a sign of growth. We spread the field and things started to happen...went long, thank god and good things happened. Nassib finally looked long as he missed some opportunities earlier long because he was checking down too early. I like what I saw.

As for the banner, I would prefer some out of town scores at the very least.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It was the first "live action" punt these guys have had to cover this season. Hard to simulate that kind of speed in practice.

I'm sure that lane discipline will be addressed as Item#1 during the ST meetings this week and it'll get fixed.

 

[repos]

Overall called a good game. Not sure I would have gone to the end zone on third down in fg range to take the lead- that was ballsy.

My only issue was the series after the sack fumble. Needed points there, got an inside handoff.

Nw went right to the end zone with their turnover.

Overall I see improvement in the team, but dammit we need wins. Very disappointed in the outcome.

In the two punt returns, reddish didn't keep contain and both times got slightly
nudged in the back. Iffy non-calls. But if reddish takes proper containment angles it's not an issue.

How the frick do you spend a jillion dollars on ribbon boards and not read the directions on how to use them for player stats and out of town scores.? W.T..

Hurry up offenses are going to produce false starts the first few games. Need to correct that, but I get it.

Thought the coaching staff had a rough day with substitutions and personnel. We only had ten guys on the field for one punt return and the 12 men on the field is unacceptable.

Not sure if anyone noticed on the last drive - and this was making me batshit crazy - reddish lost his helmet on a play and had to come out. But after he sat one play he never came back in. We had our best cover corner on the sideline the final 6-7 plays of that drive. How can that be???? Someone on the staff needs to notice that and alert someone.

Hold up first you point out reddish glaring flaw in not containing punt then you say he's our best cover corner. Lyn is our best cover-corner he is proven. He had surgery offseason and was out all spring so Reddish jumped into the lineup

 

[007]

This is my single biggest complaint from yesterdays game. If you look at the punt coverage unit, we have punter, long snapper, and 3 "heavy guys" that eventually have to be ready to make a play. That's 5 out of 11 that, in my book, simply aren't athletic enough to make tackles. The 3 protectors should be replaced by guys like Coker, Vigille, Vaughn, etc who can run down and make a difference on the coverage.

Good point Matty. It appears that the primary goal, based on personnel, is to get the punt off/protect the punter. I can live with that if the gunners are very, very good at coverage and/or they always kick away from the punt returner - even at the cost of 10-15 yards or so of distance.

They should NEVER kick to Lee or Woods next week, not once. If you think Mark was fast...

 

[rrlbees]

Hold up first you point out reddish glaring flaw in not containing punt then you say he's our best cover corner. Lyn is our best cover-corner he is proven. He had surgery offseason and was out all spring so Reddish jumped into the lineup

Punt coverage isn't the same thing as playing DB on the wide side of the field. So you can criticize one and not the other.

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[Crusty]

Keon keeps making bonehead plays at critical times. Someone has to explain to him that these penalties are just killers and he is letting down the whole team when he does it. He is a liability as much as an asset.

 

[007]

Hold up first you point out reddish glaring flaw in not containing punt then you say he's our best cover corner. Lyn is our best cover-corner he is proven. He had surgery offseason and was out all spring so Reddish jumped into the lineup

Not sure what Lynn has "proven," but it seems clear that the staff - the people that see/evaluate the players every day - think that Reddish is the best cover corner on the team.

I am gonna go with that.

 

[Millhouse]

Good point Matty. It appears that the primary goal, based on personnel, is to get the punt off/protect the punter. I can live with that if the gunners are very, very good at coverage and/or they always kick away from the punt returner - even at the cost of 10-15 yards or so of distance.

They should NEVER kick to Lee or Woods next week, not once. If you think Mark was fast...

All the more reason to go for it more on4th down. Punting can be a huge gamble

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[MattyL]

Good point Matty. It appears that the primary goal, based on personnel, is to get the punt off/protect the punter. I can live with that if the gunners are very, very good at coverage and/or they always kick away from the punt returner - even at the cost of 10-15 yards or so of distance.

They should NEVER kick to Lee or Woods next week, not once. If you think Mark was fast...

I see your point on wanting to get the punt off, but we don't have very good gunners right now. In fact, there weren't any gunners in this new formation. Incredibly, Rodgers was the first guy down the field. All N'western did was rush one guy, then used 9 others to block Coker, Spruill, Reddish, Lynch, Vaughn, and Desir. These were the athletes on the field. The heavies were Chibane, Welsh, and Phillips. No need to block them, because once the returner was full speed, they weren't going to be able to stop him. I really hope Marrone looks at this personnel and changes it before USC. This is on him.

 

[MattyL]

It was the first "live action" punt these guys have had to cover this season. Hard to simulate that kind of speed in practice.

I'm sure that lane discipline will be addressed as Item#1 during the ST meetings this week and it'll get fixed.

The first "live action" is an awful excuse for giving up a punt return for a touchdown. Every aspect of the game of football should have been worked on in practice, and at real speed.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The first "live action" is an awful excuse for giving up a punt return for a touchdown. Every aspect of the game of football should have been worked on in practice, and at real speed.

We don't have anybody as fast as Venric Mark on the practice squad.

 

[007]

All the more reason to go for it more on4th down. Punting can be a huge gamble

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In fact, that position seems to supported by advanced statistical analysis: http://mgoblog.com/category/user-tags/fourth-down-decisions


" If you have a good offense, bringing out the punter should only be done in long distance situations or when deep in your own territory. Scoring touchdowns is the valuable thing in football and giving away a quarter of your plays to kick on fourth down greatly reduces your ability to score them, the gain in field position from a punt is worth less than it is currently perceived to be and the idea that momentum is obtained from a quick change of possession is to be slight at best and most likely non-existent."

 

[rocklloyd]

This is my single biggest complaint from yesterdays game. If you look at the punt coverage unit, we have punter, long snapper, and 3 "heavy guys" that eventually have to be ready to make a play. That's 5 out of 11 that, in my book, simply aren't athletic enough to make tackles. The 3 protectors should be replaced by guys like Coker, Vigille, Vaughn, etc who can run down and make a difference on the coverage.

To your point, I thought I saw the long snapper down the field first and to the returner prior to everyone else. I might have seen it wrong since I might have glanced at the ribbon boards for in game stats, to no avail

 

[RF2044]

I see your point on wanting to get the punt off, but we don't have very good gunners right now. In fact, there weren't any gunners in this new formation. Incredibly, Rodgers was first guy down the field. All N'western did was rush one guy, then used 9 others to block Coker, Spruill, Reddish, Lynch, Vaughn, and Desir. These were the athletes on the field. The heavies were Chibane, Welsh, and Phillips. No need to block them, because once the returner was full speed, they weren't going to be able to stop him. I really hope Marrone looks at this personnel and changes it before USC. This is on him.

Remember when we used to have stud ST gunners seemingly ever year? And sometimes two of them? Oh Lord

 

[007]

I see your point on wanting to get the punt off, but we don't have very good gunners right now. In fact, there weren't any gunners in this new formation. Incredibly, Rodgers was the first guy down the field. All N'western did was rush one guy, then used 9 others to block Coker, Spruill, Reddish, Lynch, Vaughn, and Desir. These were the athletes on the field. The heavies were Chibane, Welsh, and Phillips. No need to block them, because once the returner was full speed, they weren't going to be able to stop him. I really hope Marrone looks at this personnel and changes it before USC. This is on him.

To clarify, this is not my "point." I am making an assumption that this is DM's point of emphasis based on the personnel being used on the punt team.

I agree with you - I think it is a mistake and is likely spawned by what went down last year with having punts blocked.

If I were King, I would go for it on 4th down everytime SU passed the 50 - see Millhouse post above.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Lloyd- you're right. Rodgers was the first one down the field on that punt.

NW employed the same blocking scheme we did. They didn't have any trouble forcing a fair catch.

 

[SoBristol]

...All N'western did was rush one guy, then used 9 others to block Coker, Spruill, Reddish, Lynch, Vaughn, and Desir. These were the athletes on the field. The heavies were Chibane, Welsh, and Phillips. No need to block them, because once the returner was full speed, they weren't going to be able to stop him. I really hope Marrone looks at this personnel and changes it before USC. ...

Good point. Could pull Vaughan and Lynch back as "heavies" and replace up front with Morgan and McFarlane; or Ford and Broyld. Coaches should know which teams like to go for blocks; which teams have great return men.

 

[rocklloyd]

Remember when we used to have stud ST gunners seemingly ever year? And sometimes two of them? Oh Lord

I remember a kid from CNS. Think his name was JR Johnson. Was a stud gunner.

 

[MattyL]

Remember when we used to have stud ST gunners seemingly ever year? And sometimes two of them? Oh Lord

No kidding, RF. JR Johnson dominated special teams as a gunner.

 

[MattyL]

I remember a kid from CNS. Think his name was JR Johnson. Was a stud gunner.

haha got me by a second.

 

[rocklloyd]

haha got me by a second.

Great minds...

 

[OttoMets]

Remember when we used to have stud ST gunners seemingly ever year? And sometimes two of them? Oh Lord

I spent too much of yesterday afternoon asking "Where's Jim Turner when you need him?"

 

[retro44]

To your point, I thought I saw the long snapper down the field first and to the returner prior to everyone else. I might have seen it wrong since I might have glanced at the ribbon boards for in game stats, to no avail

yes he was and went straight at him and forced him to the outside which broke our containment on kicks that were just boomers. it gave us no time to set up for the kill.

he's just not quick enough to take a guy like their return man in the wide open field.he needed to force him inside and yes i did notice the biggies back there blocking which tells me marrone is not confident enough to trust fischer getting the kick off fast enough to keep it from getting it blocked.