Listen, I thank you for having an open mind and not telling me to shut up about this, but what I said while it can't be proven or disapproven I would argue logically the bigboys Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Georgia Tech are not going to like to seeing Syracuse get 3 home games against Notre Dame before they get 2 home games.
Have I said enough how much I hate the ND games.
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Just so you know I am not from upstate nor have lived their outside of my 4 years at SU. I have friends on here that can vouch for this, and don't tell me stop moaning and support the team when I already do. I have 4 season tickets since 2008 and I don't live in NY I live in Charlotte, NC.
However you either to fail to realize my point or you want to ignore it and pretend what I am saying isn't true. BTW, how the hell aren't we Iowa? We have been to bowls 3 of the last 4 years and while I don't think we are a top 25 team we aren't the G-Rob era Syracuse. The differences between Iowa and Syracuse are one is a public school and one is a private school. One produces more alumni each year than the other and one has more local fan support than the other because its a state flagship public school in a state that cares about football more than basketball. However, I guess your type of person when you presented with an argument you don't like you just call out the other side with anger because you can't say anything else. Dr. Gross should address this issue publicly however he has not so I guess that makes me a moaner because I am making it an issue.
Honestly, with all the people defending this I think we should play all our games at Metlife Stadium because it will help branding and build the program back up. Also, who can say no to all that money. I mean it would be easier for somebody like me to fly into NYC rather than Syracuse for all the home games, but I guess I am complainer because I want our so called "partner" to treat us better.
Got to give you credit for the Don Quixote reference. I don't think I am fighting a dragon though I am making a legitimate argument that nobody wants to admit is a screwup and ND having their cake and eating it as well. Instead people want it swept under the carpet like this is good for Syracuse when it is not. If Dr. Gross admitted this was a screw up I would let it go and be happy, but nothing gets asked nothing happens. Gross should say Notre Dame will play their home games against Syracuse as a Shamrock game or at Metlife Stadium as well, but nothing gets asked and I get pelted like I am not making a legitimate argument when I am.
Alsacs - relax and enjoy your holiday. This kind of stuff will drive you crazy. In the overall scheme of things, this isn't that big. Peace.
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Not sure I am understanding, but the ACC is giving Dr. Gross a break by allowing Syracuse to keep its 2014 AND 2016 games on the schedule. That isn't putting the screws to big boys its the ACC way of saying okay we are giving you a break because of the $$$ you are making, but now you are going to the back of line for ND home games and don't expect one for a while. I don't consider that putting the screws to anybody.
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I guess it's just a difference of opinion. Some think it's bad for SU (and you're not alone), some think it's good. But as you state, that's all it is. Opinion. You think it's a screw up. That's fine. Many other don't. It's a message board - that's what they were invented for.
This is exactly what I am talking about I KNOW THE FREAKING FACTS AND YOU ARE TRYINGF TO TELL ME I don't. People on here who disagree with me won't dispute this. My god, and NO UVA and VPI wouldn't play 2 games at DC and never see ND on campus. Espically when our so-called HOME GAMES will have MORE NOTRE DAME FANS IN ATTENDANCE THAN SU FANS.
I was at the Penn State game which was a neutral site game and I am being generous calling it 60-40 Penn State, the USC game drew 39k and had 10k USC fans. You should stay out of this thread because this crap you spewed is so insulting.
This is fine and thank you this is type of statement we should be able to disagree. I don't throw punches unless someone throws one at me.I guess it's just a difference of opinion. Some think it's bad for SU (and you're not alone), some think it's good. But as you state, that's all it is. Opinion. You think it's a screw up. That's fine. Many other don't. It's a message board - that's what they were invented for.
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Nobody is thrilled about it... except maybe some that live within an easy drive from the stadium.
We all understand why the MetLife games were set up when they were. Many don't like it, especially in light of the conference change. Maybe the games don't generate enough revenue to warrant continuing them. Maybe they'll change to a bi-annual schedule. Who knows?
Most just don't see the point of getting all worked up about these games. If the two ND games at MetLife end up being neutral site games with the next in the series being at South Bend and at Syracuse then it's really not that big a deal. You do realize that Syracuse has played ND in the NYC area before, right? Yes, I know that you point at ND's future schedules where they list the MetLife games as being road games. The rest of us just aren't convinced that that's what they really are. I'll see if I can get some insight from Daryl or Herman if I happen to speak to them again.
It's OK not to be thrilled about these games. Just don't let it keep you from enjoying SU football. It's just not worth it.
Okay thank you for thoughtful response, I don't expect people to all agree with me , but you didn't tell me I don't know what I am talking about.
Its okay to disagree with me and like the series, but IMO it doesn't make sense.
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I didn't say that I liked the series.
Given the nature of the schools and the existing MetLife deal, I can live with 2 neutral site games (if that's what they end up being). A 1-1-1 sequence would've been better. Maybe that's what it'll become. I'll be retired by then.
I should have clarified I wasn't being specific to you by saying its okay to like the series I mean anyone. I didn't mean you specifically and apologize if you read it like that. I like your posts as they are good and fairly on point.I didn't say that I liked the series.
Given the nature of the schools and the existing MetLife deal, I can live with 2 neutral site games (if that's what they end up being). A 1-1-1 sequence would've been better. Maybe that's what it'll become. I'll be retired by then.
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And I don't see it as "the ACC giving us a break". I also don't see this as ND "not doing us a solid". If anything, I see it as more like all three parties, SU, ND, and ACC coming together and deciding these two games at MetLife mean more to all three parties right now than any other possible scenario.
In the next three year cycle 2017-2019, I expect to see only one SU-ND game, one which takes place at South Bend.
And then the next three year cycle after that it could go one of four ways, SU-ND at South Bend, at MetLife but being one of ND's Shamrock Series home games, at the Dome, or at MetLife with SU being the home team.
That is the cycle that will tell us more than this current one does, imho. Which again, is why, I think it's too soon to have this type of reaction to this specific series.
If we sign on to play Texas, Alabama, and Michigan at MetLife in 2018, 2020, and 2022 then it's fine to rail on about the MetLife series overall.
If we play ND at MetLife in 2020 or 2022 as our home game and as part of the ND-ACC series then this specific rant against TGD has more merit than it does now.
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I am on board with you as believing this is a colossal failure and a slap in the face of season ticket holders. I also do not believe that playing these games have landed us one extra recruit, nor has it given us any (positive) exposure. Getting smoked in these games by teams who have a fan base that dwarf ours is nothing to be proud of.
Gross took a shot, though, and in a way he had to. It has not been a success, and anyone who says it is just wants to support the program without conditions. You gotta roll with it though. It wont be changed. We all have a crappier season ticket slate now (and for several years to come) but you just have to pencil those couple great games (a la #1 Fla State next year) and live with it. Hopefully Gross knows he made a huge error, and doesnt do this ever again.
Well I would say the ACC is having to be giving us a break and letting Dr. Gross keep whatever $$$ he is getting from Metlife for the 2014 and 2016 games. Why else would the ACC let Syracuse be the team that plays Notre Dame twice in the first three years and BOTH OF THEM are considered Syracuse home games? I don't think its necessarily fair to the other 13 ACC teams Syracuse is getting 2 "home" games against Notre Dame before eight of them get 1 home game.
Dr. Gross HAD TO CASH in political capital from the other 13 ACC teams for this to happen.
There is no doubt we will be one of the 7 road games to play Notre Dame from 2017-2019 and that is rightfully the correct thing as the other 8 teams should get their home games. If Notre Dame agrees that our road game from 17-19 will be at Metlife I will feel better, but nobody is asking these questions.
I don't even want to talk about the future Metlife games as we have no clue what is happening there and again nobody is asking Dr. Gross and this issue is skating by. I don't believe logically Syracuse will get Notre Dame at home for a 3rd time till everyone has been given 2 ND home games thus Syracuse will have to wait it turn for a long time for this to come up again.
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Wow people aren't attacking me or spinning what I am saying out of context. I mean this unbelievable we aren't having opinions that telling me to let it go without acknowledging atleast the counter-argument.
Thank you I understand it won't be changed now, but if nobody brings this stuff up Dr. Gross doesn't get asked question and nothing changes. If anybody in the media reads this thread I would hope they would ask Dr. Gross questions on the record what is happening with the Metlife games and whether he even tried to get the Syracuse home games against Notre Dame moved back and wasn't able to afford or get it done.
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Or is it simply the ACC utilizing SU in the way they intended to by taking us as #13 and ND as a partial? Getting ACC football exposure in NYC.
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Syracuse is at best the 3rd most popular team in NYC. Notre Dame and Michigan are probably 1/2 in some order. Syracuse/Rutgers/Penn State are probably 3 thru 5. I just don't see the ACC geting any exposure out of Syracuse playing Notre Dame at Metlife Stadium with 25k SU fans and 55k ND football fans who don't give a crap about any conference in attendance. The logical inference that can be made is that Dr. Gross told Swofford and the other 13 ACC ADs we need to play these ND games for $$$ he was guaranteed from Metlife. Notre Dame loves these 2014 and 2016 Syracuse games because they are playing 8 home games, 5 true road games (FSU, Clemson, UVA, Pitt,NC State) 2 road games at Metlife Stadium which will turn into de facto home games for them. So they are having their cake and eating it as well. No need for them complain since they are fulfilling road games in ACC stadiums, but are benefiting from playing in NY/NJ. Syracuse is one taking it on chin, but nobody in the media has asked Dr. Gross about why we are still playing these games at Metlife and whether he tried to have one of them moved to the Dome.
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Do we know yet who has the TV broadcast rights for 2014 and 2016?
Are both games part of the ACC package, or will NBC get one of them?
Sept. 27 at Syracuse MetLife Stadium, E. Rutherford, N.J.
Oct. 11 North Carolina Notre Dame, Ind.
Oct. 18 at Florida State Tallahassee, Fla.
Nov. 22 Louisville Notre Dame, Ind.
2015
Date Team Site
Sept. 12 at Virginia Charlottesville, Va.
Sept. 19 Georgia Tech Notre Dame, Ind.
Oct. 3 at Clemson Clemson, S.C.
Nov. 7 at Pitt Pittsburgh, Pa.
Nov. 14 Wake Forest Notre Dame, Ind.
Nov. 21 Boston College Fenway Park, Boston, Mass.
2016
Date Team Site
Sept. 24 Duke Notre Dame, Ind.
Oct. 1 at Syracuse MetLife Stadium, E. Rutherford, N.J.
Oct. 8 at NC State Raleigh, N.C.
Oct. 29 Miami Notre Dame, Ind.
Nov. 19 Virginia Tech Notre Dame, Ind.
That is 8 red games which will be on NBC and 7 black games which will be on ESPN/ABC.
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Then you appear not to be thinking clearly, since both of these games will either be broadcast on ABC or ESPN or a mixture of the two, and one if not both will likely be an evening game. The announcers will be talking about the ACC, about SU's move to the ACC, about ND's partial deal with the ACC, etc., with the NYC skyline in the background. Maybe the ACC will even foot the bill to have the ESB lit up in Orange and Green if the games are at night.
One thing the ACC does well is market itself.
Cheers,
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Agreed, with 8 ND home games as indicated above, the two MetLife games have to be considered SU/ACC games and fall under the ACC TV contract.
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Then you appear not to be thinking clearly, since both of these games will either be broadcast on ABC or ESPN or a mixture of the two, and one if not both will likely be an evening game. The announcers will be talking about the ACC, about SU's move to the ACC, about ND's partial deal with the ACC, etc., with the NYC skyline in the background. Maybe the ACC will even foot the bill to have the ESB lit up in Orange and Green if the games are at night.
One thing the ACC does well is market itself.
Cheers,
Neil
I DVR'ed the Penn State game and I don't think Syracuse or Penn State were promoted about playing in NYC or the skyline of NYC in the background. We are more likely to be embarrassed when they show the open to the game and we have 25k Orange and 55k Irish fans and the announcers reference that. I don't think ESPN cares about SU's move to the ACC for football they will be marketing ND if anything. I don't disagree that the ACC markets itself really well, but these games are supposed to be Syracuse home games and they won't be when twice as many Irish fans are in the stands.
I appreciate your arguments I don't think you are being unfair, but these games are allowing Notre Dame to basically have 10 home games and 5 road games against ACC competition. I don't blame Notre Dame NYC fans for grabbing tickets and filling the place up. We only had 39k for USC and I believe 61k for Penn State. I don't expect either of these SU home games versus ND to have 50% SU fans, when if we just cancelled these Metlife games and played @ND from 2014-2016 and then got them at home from 2017-2019 at the Dome would create a pro-SU home crowd. I just want somebody in the media to please ask Dr. Gross on the record about this. I have talked with and exchanged emails with Dr. Gross on this subject he knows what I have said has merit and has treated me with more respect than most of the people hammering me in this thread because my argument while unpopular has truth in it.
SU is 270 miles from NYC. Why would they want to promote the football team in a place that really doesn't care much for college sports. SU plays in upstate New York. Most people from the NYC metro don't even know where that is.
SU doesn't need to be be New York's team it needs to be central New York's team. Any marketing and promotion should be done here. It's really very simple.
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