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[anomander]

He gets an offer at those gigs I wouldn't blame him for leaving, especially OSU or ND. I mean come on...

If he gets any of those gigs we will be in VERY VERY nice shape.

I also get the feelings that Shafer isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Great post. Love the picture. Preach it memcorsu.

 

[HtownOrange]

Unfortunately for SU, opening the checkbook is what major programs do in college athletics. If we want to continue to be successful, that policy better continue at least with the Football, Basketball and Lax programs. No matter what the policy, I do disagree with paying the women's tennis coach and Gary Gait like they are the CEO of IBM.

I get your point but the actual numbers don't always support the claim. Clemson, the #2 ACC team is #41 in spending by State schools at $69MM, per: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/. Numbers are for 2012/2013 season.

Syracuse had a larger budget the same year without ACC or Big East money. Syracuse should be close to the $100MM club when the numbers for 2013/2014 season come out next year. Syracuse will probably be in the top five AD budgets within the ACC.

 

[tipphill]

One of the great benefits that we have is that this staff is extremely tight due to their past stops. The more I hear/see SS and staff, the more I am impressed by their values as people. This is not about SS coach and family, GM coach and family, Adams coach and family... I perceive this as one huge family over at Manley. It is evident in the coaches wives involved in the program. This is a band of brothers/sisters our own "Duck Dynasty".

I grew up and taught in the inner city very much like what many of our players have experienced. I have also taught in Fl where many of our kids are being recruited from. At the elementary level in the beginning of the year I struggled with many of my students and parents in getting them to have faith in me to teach/parent their child. Through constant work, creating expectations/ideals, and building a family WE (as a unit) achieved things that no one expected including ourselves; not just developing my students but parents and me . It is exciting and extremely appealing. There was a genuine care, love, respect, trust... This is huge for people in a very scary world right now.

What I used in my classroom/school and what SS and staff are doing on the hill are exactly the same and IT WORKS (just look at our board). In a society where the ideals of companionship, being neighborly/community, accountability is quickly dying, it becomes very attractive because it has extreme worth/value. This is why we are hearing recruits/players say and do what they do. This is why this staff is going to be here for awhile. Don't underestimate the ability that they are able to live someone public/private lives. Many of these other areas it would be impossible to participate in public life as our coaches and families do. It is why the Jets love Cortland (I know because I have had first hand behind the scenes interactions with coaches and players).

Add to all this the fact that many of our coaches are on record of being happy at the level of coaching they are at i.e. GM said he always wanted to be an OC and never a head coach/ no interest in being a head coach.

Furthermore and finally,

• major upgrades are here/coming
• recruiting is on an uptick and will continue
• we are in the p5
• salary increases are coming
• influx of money at levels not fathomed in the past
• strong vision for the future of the program
• support from Chancellor
• growing support from the community
• beginning to get back to being a player on the national scene
• DM built the 21st SU shipyards SS is building the ship, HIS SHIP. I think one of the biggest things in SS past was his experience at Stanford, do not be surprised if we are his version of Stanford.

Let me conclude by saying that things can change and unforeseeable things can happen.

Sorry so long, just my humble opinion. I will see y'all at Fanfest!

i agree with most of your list. i am somewhat cautious of the "support from the chancellor" i have really not seen hard evidence of that. what i read from him is similar to coach speak(hcss excluded from that)i call it chancellor speak. i admit i am unrealistic in my expectations of him as he has a lot on his plate. i was hoping he would be more firm re: the new stadium deal than he has been. but again thats just me being over anxious i don't think syracuse (city/county/su) can afford NOT TO build a new facility. we need to keep the staff and gross--and yes if hcss has a winning season we need to grant a contract extension. lastly, i am cautiously optimistic re: the growing support of the community--- i really have not substantially seen that. i do get that impression, but in my opinion a lot of that comes from this board and the excellent coverage by the post standard keeping su out front. attendance as usual, will be the ultimate measuring tool for this.
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[SUFaninNJ]

Shafer strikes me as the kind of guy that knows he can have a pretty nice long term deal here. Don't see him as conniving as others would be with this gig.

So you're saying this is his "dream job"?!

 

[CuseOnly]

I get your point but the actual numbers don't always support the claim. Clemson, the #2 ACC team is #41 in spending by State schools at $69MM, per: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/. Numbers are for 2012/2013 season.

Syracuse had a larger budget the same year without ACC or Big East money. Syracuse should be close to the $100MM club when the numbers for 2013/2014 season come out next year. Syracuse will probably be in the top five AD budgets within the ACC.

Spending between State and private schools is very different. SU has to count it's tuition (60K) per scholarship athlete and Clemson has to count it's tuition (~30K) huge difference when you are spending on 200 scholarships across multiple sports.

Also, SU's budget is really bigger than what they report. All of the revenue from the Dome is not figured in as far as revenue earned, it only shows on the balance sheet as an outgoing cost for teams to "rent" for practices and games. The Dome is not considered part of the Athletic Department but a separate entity altogether.

 

[HtownOrange]

Spending between State and private schools is very different. SU has to count it's tuition (60K) per scholarship athlete and Clemson has to count it's tuition (~30K) huge difference when you are spending on 200 scholarships across multiple sports.

Also, SU's budget is really bigger than what they report. All of the revenue from the Dome is not figured in as far as revenue earned, it only shows on the balance sheet as an outgoing cost for teams to "rent" for practices and games. The Dome is not considered part of the Athletic Department but a separate entity altogether.

I understand he accounting differences. I was using an example of the low numbers v. mass spending. Contrast Clemson with Wisconsin. Wisconsin is nearly double with far less bang for their buck than Clemson. Private U's will always face the actual cost v. state U's ability to hide costs.

 

[GoSU96]

SU has been blessed with only one horrible coach since the '50's.

Mac, P, Marrone, and Shafer all quality coaches.

 

[Cusester]

SU has been blessed with only one horrible coach since the '50's.

Mac, P, Marrone, and Shafer all quality coaches.

I'm glad you didn't include Frank Maloney on the horrible coach list. He did a much better job than he is given credit for. His offense was way ahead of it's time and he recruited some of the best to ever play at SU at their positions.

Joe Morris, Craig Wolfley, Art Monk and Bill Hurley were so much fun to watch. Frank would have recruited very well with the dome.