he is my problem with the late penalty call

[upperdeck]

the rule was for late hit out of bounds.. which is essentially the same as the rule for late hit in bounds after the whistle or in the qb's case after he throws the ball. the bigger issue is more that he didn't get hit, if anything its a mild push. players are told to play threw the whistle.. the same is true for the boundary. play until the player is clearly out of bounds..

If the player takes a hard cut, because the DB lets up thinking he is going out of bounds, and then turns up field people are screaming for the opposite reason..

but really had that same push happened on a qb 5 seconds after a throw does it get called for a late hit? 1 out of 20 times and people would be screaming at the ref. if the kid doesn't take a dive it doesn't get called.. we have seen harder contact in basketball not get called for a foul at end of games..

this wasn't a case of an excessive hard contact play to a player who thought he was protected by the sideline..

 

[Millhouse]

the rule was for late hit out of bounds.. which is essentially the same as the rule for late hit in bounds after the whistle or in the qb's case after he throws the ball. the bigger issue is more that he didn't get hit, if anything its a mild push. players are told to play threw the whistle.. the same is true for the boundary. play until the player is clearly out of bounds..

If the player takes a hard cut, because the DB lets up thinking he is going out of bounds, and then turns up field people are screaming for the opposite reason..

but really had that same push happened on a qb 5 seconds after a throw does it get called for a late hit? 1 out of 20 times and people would be screaming at the ref. if the kid doesn't take a dive it doesn't get called.. we have seen harder contact in basketball not get called for a foul at end of games..

this wasn't a case of an excessive hard contact play to a player who thought he was protected by the sideline..

we all saw what happens when you don't play to the whistle. can't win.

 

['72 Orange]

The QBs momentum on his run to the sideline provided most of the impetus for him flopping out of bounds. The push had little if any affect. The problem is the QB sold it and the refs bought it!

 

[JoeSU]

Here is my problem from the official's perspective: if you swallow the whistle on that play, nobody would be talking about it today. It was at best, a borderline call. But instead, by making the call in that critical situation, the official had a direct influence on the outcome of the game. As Joey Galloway stated, he makes himself part of the game story.

 

[edowd26]

i was right there. Terrible call. He put his hand on him only to make sure he continued to go OB. He didn't push him, the ref was 20 yards away and that was the line judges call and he didn't make it. The head official should be punted in the bean bag until he ceases to be a man.

 

[GoCuse44]

Watched portions of the game again on DVR this morning. I left the dome yesterday in disbelief that we could put put those kind of offensive numbers and lose due to ST breakdowns, interception, and what I considered a terrible call late in the game.

Joe Galloway said it best. It was a terrible call by the official and a terrible deicision by Lynn.

I hated the call in The Pinstripe Bowl (which went our way) and I hated the calll yesterday because it allows an official instead of the players to decide the outcome of a game.

 

[SmilinBob]

NW started on their own 25 and still managed to get that far. Yes, I annoyed at the refs call but SU put themselves in that position there were many plays before that we should have made so it would have never have came to the point where some dumbass ref decides your fate.

 

[OttoMets]

i was right there. Terrible call. He put his hand on him only to make sure he continued to go OB. He didn't push him, the ref was 20 yards away and that was the line judges call and he didn't make it. The head official should be punted in the bean bag until he ceases to be a man.

That's something that I haven't seen touched on. I agree - there were two officials who were closer and had a better angle; the guy who threw the flag was closer to the center of the field and couldn't have had a good sense of depth. He can't be the person to make that call.

 

[Crusty]

If Keon does not make a bad decision the refs do not matter. He has done this before. We have got to get smarter and stop beating ourselves. The world is too competitive and we can't win being stupid.

 

[mantonio]

The ref should never be allowed to make a call like that, especially when it determines the fate of the game. Unless the player was blatantly attempting to harm the other player, That call should be out of the rule book.

 

[OttoMets]

If Keon does not make a bad decision the refs do not matter. He has done this before. We have got to get smarter and stop beating ourselves. The world is too competitive and we can't win being stupid.

This is true. The official shouldn't have been put into that position. Dumb play by Lyn, and it's not the first time.

 

[All4SU]

I didn't really have a problem with the call. It looked appropriate to me. My only issue was that if you are going to make that call, at that critical juncture of the game, you had better make the same call the other way on SU's last possession. I'm not saying we would have won. But those 15 yards would have been huge, and both fouls looked the same to me. Call one, call them both.

 

[dollarbill44]

I didn't really have a problem with the call. It looked appropriate to me. My only issue was that if you are going to make that call, at that critical juncture of the game, you had better make the same call the other way on SU's last possession. I'm not saying we would have won. But those 15 yards would have been huge, and both fouls looked the same to me. Call one, call them both.

I don't disagree, but there were two differences between the calls.

1. One was a QB and the other was a RB
2. The SU player was actually OB when the hit occurred while the NW QB had both feet in bounds at the time of contact.

 

[mantonio]

I didn't really have a problem with the call. It looked appropriate to me. My only issue was that if you are going to make that call, at that critical juncture of the game, you had better make the same call the other way on SU's last possession. I'm not saying we would have won. But those 15 yards would have been huge, and both fouls looked the same to me. Call one, call them both.

The ENTIRE Dome erupted in a fury after that hit, but the refs saw NO PROBLEM with the NW infraction...

 

[SarasotaPaul]

I didn't really have a problem with the call. It looked appropriate to me. My only issue was that if you are going to make that call, at that critical juncture of the game, you had better make the same call the other way on SU's last possession. I'm not saying we would have won. But those 15 yards would have been huge, and both fouls looked the same to me. Call one, call them both.

Big difference in the plays actually. The NW QB was still inbounds when contact was made. The SU back was out of bounds when contact was made. And yes I watch too many replays, but thats what DVR's are for.

 

[swish7]

i was right there. Terrible call. He put his hand on him only to make sure he continued to go OB. He didn't push him, the ref was 20 yards away and that was the line judges call and he didn't make it. The head official should be punted in the bean bag until he ceases to be a man.

On TV, it most certainly looked like the Su player pushed him. The qb is vulnerable when upright like that. Very easy to send him flying. It did not seem like an acting job.

Iffy call for sure, but you should not give the ref any chance to make the call.

If playing to the whistle is the excuse, then bear hug the player until the whistle.

I was more concerned about the easy yardage NW gained on the plays leading up to that one.

Bottom line, we got more than our fair share of good calls prior to that one. 3-4 PI calls does not often happen.

Crappy way to lose.

 

[sufandu]

the rule was for late hit out of bounds.. which is essentially the same as the rule for late hit in bounds after the whistle or in the qb's case after he throws the ball. the bigger issue is more that he didn't get hit, if anything its a mild push. players are told to play threw the whistle.. the same is true for the boundary. play until the player is clearly out of bounds..

If the player takes a hard cut, because the DB lets up thinking he is going out of bounds, and then turns up field people are screaming for the opposite reason..

but really had that same push happened on a qb 5 seconds after a throw does it get called for a late hit? 1 out of 20 times and people would be screaming at the ref. if the kid doesn't take a dive it doesn't get called.. we have seen harder contact in basketball not get called for a foul at end of games..

this wasn't a case of an excessive hard contact play to a player who thought he was protected by the sideline..

We saw what happened if the quarterback is breathed on after he throws the ball earlier in the game when a bogus roughing the qb penalty was called. I forget who it was, maybe Spruill, but he brushed the quarterback with his hands up in the air and it was called. My problem with the late hit call is that is was wrong on every level. The guy's foot hadn't touched out of bounds yet. And it wasn't even a hit. We had overcome our own stupid mistakes only to be screwed by the officials.

 

[sufandu]

If Keon does not make a bad decision the refs do not matter. He has done this before. We have got to get smarter and stop beating ourselves. The world is too competitive and we can't win being stupid.

I don't think he made a bad decision. The guy may have been heading out of bounds but wasn't there when contact was made. If the defender lets up and the guy decides at the last second to cut it back, then what?

 

[sufandu]

NW started on their own 25 and still managed to get that far. Yes, I annoyed at the refs call but SU put themselves in that position there were many plays before that we should have made so it would have never have came to the point where some dumbass ref decides your fate.

I wasn't happy with how easily they made it down the field, but the strategy worked had the refs made the right call. It was third down, NW certainly would have gone for it, we make one more stop, and game over. Instead, NW is 15 yards closer with a first down.

 

[swish7]

I don't think he made a bad decision. The guy may have been heading out of bounds but wasn't there when contact was made. If the defender lets up and the guy decides at the last second to cut it back, then what?

He may have started the touch in bounds, but he extended his arms, or 'pushed', while the QB was out of bounds.

 

[sufandu]

He may have started the touch in bounds, but he extended his arms, or 'pushed', while the QB was out of bounds.

So he pushed a guy out of bounds? Last time I checked that's legal. What's illegal is hitting a guy after he's out of bounds. That didn't happen.

 

[kcsu]

BS call with the game on the line.

 

[Crusty]

 

[rrlbees]

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And that still photo is when Lyn extended his arms and "pushed" him.

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[NailstheCusefan12]

Just saw video of it for the first time. Very questionable, but still very stupid by Lyn. I don't like them making that call in that situation, though.

EDIT: Jeremi Wilkes also got drilled with a block in the back on the play as the QB was headed to the sidelines.