Hey Rules Aficianados

[Dadarules]

Regarding the Triche issue at halftime did anyone find a rule that for some reason nullifies the actual foul by the defender against the shooter with 1 second to go if the shooter does not release the ball by the end of the shot clock?

Common sense, or my version of it, says the foul stops the clock and continuation allows the basket to be made with the game clock stopping at the foul and the shot clock becoming irrelevant.

Could it be that they rule even though the foul happened prior to the shot clock running out the ref did not fully call the foul until after the shot clock ran out? Kinda like when a timeout is granted being the relevant factor not when it was called.

I would have appreciated this discussion by the commentators.

Sorry if this has been covered - I didn't find this answer looking through the site, google & tweeting to PSBasketball & Jay Bilas. I know we are moving on but I am interested in knowing if some wierd rule exists or it was merely missed.

Thanks.

 

[longtimefan]

Regarding the Triche issue at halftime did anyone find a rule that for some reason nullifies the actual foul by the defender against the shooter with 1 second to go if the shooter does not release the ball by the end of the shot clock?

Common sense, or my version of it, says the foul stops the clock and continuation allows the basket to be made with the game clock stopping at the foul and the shot clock becoming irrelevant.

Could it be that they rule even though the foul happened prior to the shot clock running out the ref did not fully call the foul until after the shot clock ran out? Kinda like when a timeout is granted being the relevant factor not when it was called.

I would have appreciated this discussion by the commentators.

Sorry if this has been covered - I didn't find this answer looking through the site, google & tweeting to PSBasketball & Jay Bilas. I know we are moving on but I am interested in knowing if some wierd rule exists or it was merely missed.

Thanks.

Just a thought--can you hear the whistle go off on the replay? If so, was there any time left on the shot clock? Seem to remember the officials have been electronically connected to the clock, so that when the whistle sounded, the clock stopped?

 

[HoustonCuse]

Yes, there was clearly "1" showing on the shot clock when the foul was whistled. I still want to know where that foul went. Jimmy Hoffa probably knows.

 

[armory]

I got a separate question re: the goaltending that wasnt called... if a player deflects or partially blocks the shot, can there still be goaltending? football rules have screwed with my head too much

 

[CorduroyG]

Regarding the Triche issue at halftime did anyone find a rule that for some reason nullifies the actual foul by the defender against the shooter with 1 second to go if the shooter does not release the ball by the end of the shot clock?

Common sense, or my version of it, says the foul stops the clock and continuation allows the basket to be made with the game clock stopping at the foul and the shot clock becoming irrelevant.

Could it be that they rule even though the foul happened prior to the shot clock running out the ref did not fully call the foul until after the shot clock ran out? Kinda like when a timeout is granted being the relevant factor not when it was called.

I would have appreciated this discussion by the commentators.

Sorry if this has been covered - I didn't find this answer looking through the site, google & tweeting to PSBasketball & Jay Bilas. I know we are moving on but I am interested in knowing if some wierd rule exists or it was merely missed.

Thanks.

good point, hadnt thought of that. clock stops on a whistle. the foul clearly occured with 1 second left on the shot clock. whistle blows for the foul, clock stops at 1, triche makes the layup. shot clock doesnt expire cuz the clock stops as soon as the foul is called. common sense says it should be an "and 1".

 

[tbonezone]

dickey clearly rakes triche across the arms with one second on the shot. that much is indisputable on the replay . now if you want to argue that triche had not started the shooting motion yet OK. that is at least arguable. regardless the foul still counts and it's triche at the line. now just supposing in the broad scope of things as some claim triche was fouled after the shot clock expired but before the half. it's still a foul ! whether he was fouled before the shot or after it is still a foul and syracuse possession! it's not anything goes open season once the shot clock expires.

 

[dasher]

the foul was not called on the first guy. Should have been but wasn't. The foul was on the second guy. That was after the clock.

 

[tbonezone]

ok.call it on the second dude.(altho dickey was blatant) it's still whistled a foul. you don't wave it off.
dead ball foul anyone? i just can't punch you in the face once the shot clock expires. and there is definitely still time in the half when the second gunman fouled from the grassy knoll.

 

[upperdeck]

when you hear it with the whistle its clear the call came before time ran out thats all that matters.

 

[bnoro]

I got a separate question re: the goaltending that wasnt called... if a player deflects or partially blocks the shot, can there still be goaltending? football rules have screwed with my head too much

Nope. That's why it wasn't called on that foul against us.

 

[TexanMark]

dickey clearly rakes triche across the arms with one second on the shot. that much is indisputable on the replay . now if you want to argue that triche had not started the shooting motion yet OK. that is at least arguable. regardless the foul still counts and it's triche at the line. now just supposing in the broad scope of things as some claim triche was fouled after the shot clock expired but before the half. it's still a foul ! whether he was fouled before the shot or after it is still a foul and syracuse possession! it's not anything goes open season once the shot clock expires.

I heard the rule changed...if the player is in the act of gathering himself for a shot...it is a foul in the act of shooting. Anyone confirm?

 

[BostonOrange]

the foul was not called on the first guy. Should have been but wasn't. The foul was on the second guy. That was after the clock.

did the refs say that? the refs arm goes up on dickey's contact and he points right at dickey