Honest Opinion

[OrangeTarheel]

Yes and we are winning it all.

This - I believe it every year before the season starts, why stop now!

 

[orangecuse]

Syracuse should take orders from Syracuse. Syracuse should do what's best for their school and not what's best for NC State. We are in the ACC sure but that's a sports league essentially. Things are more important than that simple collaboration of schools that play certain sports.

My gut says we'll punt on this season because the Trustees/Chancellor will look themselves in the mirror and ask why we are doing this. Our neighbors are arbitrarily southern schools b/c we joined this conference for financial purposes but we align geographically with all the schools that have cancelled. That's Cornell, Colgate, Umass, Northwestern, etc.

Like i said, i look at this from the POV of an alum not a fan. I can live without college sports so things can normalize. As someone said this AM, why are we concerned with what the band is playing on the titanic after we just hit the iceberg

Perhaps because there are enough life boats so no one has to worry a wink of having to jump into ice water and within minutes succumbing to hypothermia? According to Worldometer's site, out of the over 6 million people currently infected with Covid, 99% are "mild" cases.

 

[Bayside44]

Perhaps because there are enough life boats so no one has to worry a wink of having to jump into ice water and within minutes succumbing to hypothermia? According to Worldometer's site, out of the over 6 million people currently infected with Covid, 99% are "mild" cases.

If both teams, coaches, etc that are getting constantly tested are healthy, where is the stumbling block?

 

[HtownOrange]

Disclaimer: I am not an SU alumn. I grew up just outside Syracuse and have always loved and followed the Orangemen/Orange. Blame my dad for getting me started but blame me for the last few decades as I could have changed allegiances.

To the OP: I believe the ACC and each school intends to play. SU has been aggressive and disciplined in their Covid plan. I also have seen solid leadership from the Chancellor and the AD. Neither seems willing to sacrifice the school and it's good name for a short term risk. Both seem very much like they view every move in light of the good name of Syracuse University.

That said, the move by the B1G, PAC and everyone else was premature (except a few cases where institutional controls we're obviously bad, yes, Rutgers, that includes you!). By cancelling the season, they cancel practice. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are still practicing. Meanwhile, if Covid cannot be contained, the season can still be cancelled by the ACC, SEC, and Big12.

You may argue that the other conferences will have practice before the spring season. That assumes there will be a spring season. Not to mention the season will be shortened, as will the preseason, likely. Further, if the ACC, SEC, and Big 12, (along with the few remaining G5 conferences) the spring season football will look ridiculous. The conferences early exit will be viewed as foolish.

If I may, when I was active duty, we were always ready. Training, exercises, logistics, everything was ready to go at a moment's notice. We often had word we were going and we're merely waiting on orders. Most often, orders never came. By being ready, we were able to go if necessary. If we didn't go, we were that much more prepared for the next mission.

How much less willing be for the ACC, SEC, and Big12? They are preparing and will be ready to go. If not, they stand down and are that much more prepared for the next season, be it in January or September.

 

[orange44]

Disclaimer: I am not an SU alumn. I grew up just outside Syracuse and have always loved and followed the Orangemen/Orange. Blame my dad for getting me started but blame me for the last few decades as a could have changed allegiances.

To the OP: I believe the ACC and each school intends to play. SU has been aggressive and disciplined in their Covid plan. I also have seen solid leadership from the Chancellor and the AD. Neither seems willing to sacrifice the scho and it's good name for a short term risk. Both seem very much like they view every move in light of the good name of Syracuse University.

That said, the move by the B1G, PAC and everyone else was premature (except a few cases where institutional controls we're obviously pad, yes, Rutgers, that includes you!). By cancelling the season, they cancel practice. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are still practicing. Meanwhile, if Covid cannot be contained, the season can still be cancelled.

You may argue that the other conferences will have practice before the spring season. That assumes there will be a spring season. Not to mention the season will be shortened, as will the preseason, likely. Further, if the ACC, SEC, and Big 12, ( along with the few remaining G5 conferences) the spring season football will look ridiculous. The conferences early exit will be viewed as foolish.

If I may, when I was active duty, we were always ready. Training, exercises, logistics, everything was ready to go at a moment's notice. We often had word we were going and we're merely waiting on orders. Most often, orders never came. By being ready, we were able to go if necessary. If we didn't go, we were that much more prepared for the next mission.

How much less willing be for the ACC, SEC, and Big12? They are preparing and will be ready to go. If not, they stand down and are that much more prepared for the next season, be it in January or September.

Well said!

 

[bpo57]

The B1G and PAC decisions were entirely different. Most CFB guys have said that PAC never had a shot with their financial issues (testing/protocols cost A LOT) and their location, being in areas that are either hot spots and/or still very much locked down. Also, there’s really not much backlash to no sports, specifically football... just a different world out West.

B1G, that’s another story - it seems like they made a decision a long time ago and were in search of reasons. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong, although I disagree, but that commissioner never wanted to play and he seems to have had his mind made up for a while.

I think you nailed it. If the P3 end up playing without too many issues then Warren will never live this down.

 

[bpo57]

My question wasn't cheeky or sarcastic. I just do not think, regardless of what everyone has said, that we line up for a single play come September when some of our biggest programs in the country are on ice. Whether we are in a southern conference or not, i suspect we end up not playing. If that means the rest of the conference goes forward, can't answer it.

At the end of the day we are in a southern conference but we are a northeastern team where all of our peers have folded up shop for the time being.

Understand your point but I guess where we differ is the downside of trying to move forward. Let's say SU plays a game or two or three and then the season gets cancelled because of an outbreak. Is that really the end of the world? We gave it a shot and it didn't work. So be it.

 

[bpo57]

Schools have been showing that $$$ is their #1 driving factor this year at the expense of health.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them play.

But yet those that have cancelled suggest playing a spring and fall season in the same calendar year. Go figure.

 

[AAM62]

Yes and we are winning it all.

kudos on your avi

 

[SUbear]

My question wasn't cheeky or sarcastic. I just do not think, regardless of what everyone has said, that we line up for a single play come September when some of our biggest programs in the country are on ice. Whether we are in a southern conference or not, i suspect we end up not playing. If that means the rest of the conference goes forward, can't answer it.

At the end of the day we are in a southern conference but we are a northeastern team where all of our peers have folded up shop for the time being.

You have said this same mantra for months, you are getting tiresome.

 

[Bayside44]

You have said this same mantra for months, you are getting tiresome.

BC, Pitt, WVU folded up shop?

 

[721Comstock]

You have said this same mantra for months, you are getting tiresome.

Pitt and BC have folded up shop? Since when?

UConn has folded up the shop, then burned it, then swept the ashes into a sinkhole.

Rutgers' shop blew into a dumpster fire, and then set the entire B1G ablaze.

 

[SUbear]

Syracuse should take orders from Syracuse. Syracuse should do what's best for their school and not what's best for NC State. We are in the ACC sure but that's a sports league essentially. Things are more important than that simple collaboration of schools that play certain sports.

My gut says we'll punt on this season because the Trustees/Chancellor will look themselves in the mirror and ask why we are doing this. Our neighbors are arbitrarily southern schools b/c we joined this conference for financial purposes but we align geographically with all the schools that have cancelled. That's Cornell, Colgate, Umass, Northwestern, etc.

Like i said, i look at this from the POV of an alum not a fan. I can live without college sports so things can normalize. As someone said this AM, why are we concerned with what the band is playing on the titanic after we just hit the iceberg

And what if things never normalize, do we all just crawl in a shell for the rest of creation, because that is the end result of the way you want to handle the situation. Syracuse is trying to do what is best, knowing there are no guarantees for anything, any direction you take can have consequences.

 

[elimunelson]

#FSU president John Thrasher says the ACC presidents are meeting at 4:30 today, and he thinks it will be the final final decision on whether to play

I'll stand by what i said initially...

 

[NKR1978]

If the ACC moves forward, we’re playing. I don’t think I can emphasize how big of a disaster that would be should we not do so.

I know we don't always agree, but man, if the ACC plays and Syracuse stays home I could see us not being welcome any more. From a pure Syracuse perspective, it would be a 100 year disaster and we might as well pack up and go back to the Big East.

 

[longislandcuse]

#FSU president John Thrasher says the ACC presidents are meeting at 4:30 today, and he thinks it will be the final final decision on whether to play

I'll stand by what i said initially...

Ross Dellenger reports that this is a previously scheduled meeting where they are hearing a medical report and there is optimism that it will provide them the ability to continue moving forward.

 

[nzm136]

Do we really think Syracuse football is playing this year and Michigan/Ohio State are not?

Color me skeptical that this is happening at all. I'm not going to get into the merits of the testing and what the schools are doing to mitigate things but once the Big 10 cancelled I assumed everyone will follow suit depending on how much additional practice they attempt to get from the players.

I tend to agree, but the other way of looking at it is the conference with Michigan and Ohio schools in it cancelled, but the conference with Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina schools did not.

 

[nzm136]

I know we don't always agree, but man, if the ACC plays and Syracuse stays home I could see us not being welcome any more. From a pure Syracuse perspective, it would be a 100 year disaster and we might as well pack up and go back to the Big East.

We have to play if the ACC plays. We’re 100% at the whim of FSU, Clemson, Tobacco Road, the Virginia schools, and Georgia Tech.