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[chugg21]

It's the most densely populated section of the country, it might have a lower percentage of game ready contributors but basic demographics say that the distribution of athletes isn't going to be any different.

And there's a much lower percentage of programs within that distribution than other sections of the country.

I hate going back to this well, but Marrone was able to build the 17th ranked offense using 2 and 3 star player recruited almost entirely from the putrid NE.

The OL was from NY, NJ, and PA, the RB's from Ohio and Delaware, the QB from Pa, the WR from NY, Md, and Pa. The one player from Fl was the TE.

Nope can never happen.

And you have Prestige schools like Michigan, Penn St, Notre Dame, Ohio St and occasionally an Alabama or Clemson come in and cherry pick those difference maker elite kids out from under us. We are then essentially just grabbing lotto tickets from the rest of the leftovers. So yes, we can 1 year of the last 15 or so have a year where comes together and we have a solid 8 win team but in reality we just need to be pretty happy with getting to a bowl game most years which is a step up from where we've been for this century.

 

[OrangeAggieArmy]

It is all about coaching and player development. There's no reason we can't be synonymous with Boise St, Western Michigan, Navy, EXCEPT IN A P5 CONF! How about looking at Utah as a precedent? Utah's recruiting within a 5 hr radius can't be any better than SU's, but they're a perennial top 25 team. Coaching and player development. We have to give it time. We have a system now. A proven system. Let Babers recruit and most importantly, develop his recruits. The proverbial cake won't be done until Babers first full recruiting class are all juniors. Then we'll know. Oh, and we need to schedule nothing but cupcakes out of conf for the next decade.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Our 2016 class has 15 at 3 star and no 4 star. The 2016 utah class has 19 at 3 star and 3 at 4 star. Multiply that by 4 and you would get a dozen 4 stars. We have a long way to go.

 

[tep624]

Our 2016 class has 15 at 3 star and no 4 star. The 2016 utah class has 19 at 3 star and 3 at 4 star. Multiply that by 4 and you would get a dozen 4 stars. We have a long way to go.

Our 2016 class was patchworked together in 2 months based on players that had mainly been recruited by the staff to Bowling Green and were either flipped from there, committed here instead of there, or were flipped from other P5 schools after the staff had recruited them at Bowling Green. You can't just grab a random school and compare results like that - i'm sure Utah's staff was recruiting their 2016 class for over a year...to Utah. Kyle Whittingham has been the HC there since 2005.

 

[AlaskaSU]

I picked utah in response to the post comparing us to them to try to make the point that the only difference is coaching. For 2017 we have but one 4 star and he is not a concensus 4 star.

 

[OrangeAggieArmy]

I picked utah in response to the post comparing us to them to try to make the point that the only difference is coaching. For 2017 we have but one 4 star and he is not a concensus 4 star.

Utah went 10-3 last year and 9-4 the year before. We'd have 4 stars in our 2016 class too if that was our record the last two years.

Utah also went 5-7 in 2013 and 2014. Their 2014 class had one 4 star (from Salt Lake City) and their 2015 class had no 4 stars.

Player development of 3 star players led to 9 win and 10 win seasons, which then led to landing some 4 star recruits.

 

[690West]

BC, Penn St., Rutgirls and Syracuse are all no longer relevant and UCon has never been relevant. Penn St was held together by a legendary coach. SUNY Buffalo does not play big time football and neither does any other Boston or NYC area school. Name another large state school without a serious football team? NYU does not even field a team. All of this can be traced to the fact that football is not as popular in the NE as it is in every other part of the country. The rest of the country lives for football. Without an adequate local supply of talent none of the NE schools might ever become relevant again. Pitt is doing OK, but nothing great. It is no coincidence that it is closer to more fertile recruiting grounds.

We used to skim recruits from the excess talent coming out of Florida but that window is closing with the resurgence of the two late comer large Florida public schools.

The only way to turn things around for any of these schools is to recruit better talent and the only way to do that is to attract talent from outside the NE. There are only two ways to do this: win with the talent you have, or hire a legacy coach that will attract recruits. The former is not impossible but it is unlikely, and the handful of legacy coaches would have no interest in any of these schools unless they happened to be their alma mater.

Despite the best efforts of a good coach like Babers, it is possible that there will be no turn-around. Too early to throw in the towel but not too early to face the reality that the odds are against us. Neither history nor conference affiliation might be able to compensate for the fact that the NE does not produce enough talent.

You're wrong.