How is Mark Schwartz/ESPN behavior any different than Mike McQuery?

[Jake]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

 

[raf4488]

Then Schwarz makes a statement like "JB said Davis was lying, this tape indicates otherwise" before acknowledging that SU never had the tape.

 

[otisco]

Exactly. The irony of Schwartz's big career story is so compelling. He really needs to be called out on it in the media.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Only one is a potential mandated reporter.

 

[raf4488]

Also, if they had the tape for 8 years, why wasn't it released once Lang came forward? Makes it seem like generating headlines is more important to ESPN than reporting news. They wanted JB and others to run to Fine's defense to make them look like fools, thereby giving them another story to report so they can generate even more headlines and drag this out longer.

 

[kingottoiii]

It really isn't. They should have turned it over to the authorities to investigate.

 

[kingottoiii]

Also, if they had the tape for 8 years, why wasn't it released once Lang came forward? Makes it seem like generating headlines is more important to ESPN than reporting news. They wanted JB and others to run to Fine's defense to make them look like fools, thereby giving them another story to report so they can generate even more headlines and drag this out longer.

Also why not try and authenticate the tape in 2003? Why wait to authenticate in November of 2011? Wouldn't having a voice recognition specialist in 2003 confirm that it was Laurie Fine been enough to run the story in 2003? Wouldn't that have been a 2nd source?

 

[Jake]

Only one is a potential mandated reporter.

Ugh. This isn't about legal requirements...its about ETHICAL behavior. Legally, McQuery did was he was legally obligated to do, so did Schwartz...morally, their actions are nearly impossible to defend.

 

[orangenirvana]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

How is it a smoking gun? The audio tape doesn't really say anything other than Fine is a homosexual and his wife is a weirdo who doesn't seem to care much.

And that's if the tape wasn't doctored in some way.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Ugh. This isn't about legal requirements...its about ETHICAL behavior. Legally, McQuery did was he was legally obligated to do, so did Schwartz...morally, their actions are nearly impossible to defend.

The question was how were they different?

 

[wallacecuse]

Then Schwarz makes a statement like "JB said Davis was lying, this tape indicates otherwise" before acknowledging that SU never had the tape.

His comment about the tape indicating otherwise was in regard to Laurie Fine telling SU legal counsel in 05 that Davis was a liar, not JB calling Davis a liar.

 

[jsshap]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

That is exactly what I cannot come to grips with here. How in the world did ESPN (and PS) not, at a minimum, breach its moral obligation to bring this to light and stop potential abuse? And Schwartz trumpets the fact that "we sat on this tape for 8 years and did not know what to do with it," seemingly without any appreciation for the fact that doing so might have caused more lives to be ruined? Contrast that with JB, apparently on the block, and this truly is the bizarro world we find ourselves in. God forbid there are other victims, but if there are others who were molested between 2002 and 2011...that is unforgiveable.

 

[liljoe]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

Atronomical difference...

McQuery watched a grown man sexually assault a young boy.

Schwarz was given a tape by a grown man who was perfectly capable of taking the tape to police. Not to mention many years after anything took place.

Heck, technically speak, Davis is just as complacent of not doing anything as Schwarz was. What could Schwarz legally do that Davis couldn't? This wasn't a young boy who couldn't speak for himself.

 

[Toga]

That is exactly what I cannot come to grips with here. How in the world did ESPN (and PS) not, at a minimum, breach its moral obligation to bring this to light and stop potential abuse? And Schwartz trumpets the fact that "we sat on this tape for 8 years and did not know what to do with it," seemingly without any appreciation for the fact that doing so might have caused more lives to be ruined? Contrast that with JB, apparently on the block, and this truly is the bizarro world we find ourselves in. God forbid there are other victims, but if there are others who were molested between 2002 and 2011...that is unforgiveable.

Absolutely!! ESPN enabled. All evidence says JB did not!!

 

[jsshap]

Atronomical difference...

McQuery watched a grown man sexually assault a young boy.

Schwarz was given a tape by a grown man who was perfectly capable of taking the tape to police. Not to mention many years after anything took place.

Heck, technically speak, Davis is just as complacent of not doing anything as Schwarz was. What could Schwarz legally do that Davis couldn't? This wasn't a young boy who couldn't speak for himself.

You are right on one point -- Davis not giving the tape to SU is almost as inexplicable as ESPN not doing anything with it. Per Schwartz, Davis did not give it to SU in 2005 "because he did not know what to do with it." And ESPN sat on it for 8 years because they did not know what to do with it? What?!? So Davis knew to give it to ESPN but not to SU, the one organization that could bring this to a stop even if there was not enough to criminally convict? So much here makes no sense.

The rest of your post is off. "Not to mention many years after anything took place..." Davis told ESPN that his concern was that Bernie will still doing this. That is not a reason to sit on this. There is no reason to sit on this.

 

[liljoe]

The rest of your post is off. "Not to mention many years after anything took place..." Davis told ESPN that his concern was that Bernie will still doing this. That is not a reason to sit on this. There is no reason to sit on this.

If ESPN did not believe the story back then, you still think they should have aired it out in public? People think ESPN did a shoddy job this time, imagine if they aired the story when they didn't think in was credible!

What was Schwarz supposed to do that Bobby Davis couldn't? You are saying they should have acted on something they didn't find credible. Which leads to my big question, what has changed in 8 years? Same tape. Same accusations. This time you just add a broth-in-law that once failed to corroborate the story.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

This is the thing I don't understand. Wouldn't it have been HUGELY important to know when they received the tape whether it was legit? Why did it take a second person coming forward to make the tape important?

 

[orangecuse]

If ESPN did not believe the story back then, you still think they should have aired it out in public? People think ESPN did a shoddy job this time, imagine if they aired the story when they didn't think in was credible!

What was Schwarz supposed to do that Bobby Davis couldn't? You are saying they should have acted on something they didn't find credible. Which leads to my big question, what has changed in 8 years? Same tape. Same accusations. This time you just add a broth-in-law that once failed to corroborate the story.

Well, the difference is the 3rd guy (since Lang is a family member) no matter how suspect or questionable his crediblity is. The tape, without this new accuser, imo, has nowhere near the impact, as the (unadmissible) tape portrays more of the appearance of family secrets, adultery, etc., than one of taboo, known as child molestation. I don't think the timing of this alleged 3rd victim and the tape's public release is a coincidence, I really think this is what ESPN has been hoping/dreaming for all along...bam, then just throw down the trump card...

 

[pearl31]

I don't think the timing of this alleged 3rd victim and the tape's public release is a coincidence, I really think this is what ESPN has been hoping/dreaming for all along...bam, then just throw down the trump card...

Agree. Today's double bombshell (tape, 3rd accuser) were not a coincidence. It was the culmination of ESPN's calculated slow-play.

 

[pfister1]

Both sat on smoking gun for years and didn't go to police.

Not even close to the same. McQueary saw the crime being committed. The gun ESPN is holding may be smoking, but it isn't altogether clear what it was pointed at when it was fired.

 

[jsshap]

If ESPN did not believe the story back then, you still think they should have aired it out in public? People think ESPN did a shoddy job this time, imagine if they aired the story when they didn't think in was credible!

What was Schwarz supposed to do that Bobby Davis couldn't? You are saying they should have acted on something they didn't find credible. Which leads to my big question, what has changed in 8 years? Same tape. Same accusations. This time you just add a broth-in-law that once failed to corroborate the story.

. You are ignoring the fact that there is an option between airing it the tape for the public and doing nothing. Do you really believe doing nothing was the way to go? Tell that to a patent whose was molested by fine since 2003.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm convinced OTL took a page from Breitbart/O'Keefe hoping that Syracuse would dig themselves a giant hole after the story broke but before the tape came out.

Really the only misstep by SU was boeheim's thousand lies stuff. But OTL was probably hoping that SU would say something more incriminating just like the ACORN tapes ("it was just one office, you can't take everyone down because of one person" then boom tapes of multiple offices.