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How much longer will Kent be Chancellor?

Honestly I thought the writer came off as a dick, however sounds like someone in the financial aid office and admissions really screwed up this year. Also $92k for SU is laughable

It was a really wonky year in Admissions. Both SU and Le Moyne had a record number of applications this year and both were scrambling at the end of the year to hit enrollment numbers. The discount rate for this class is not going to be pretty (from the schools' POV, of course).
 
It was a really wonky year in Admissions. Both SU and Le Moyne had a record number of applications this year and both were scrambling at the end of the year to hit enrollment numbers. The discount rate for this class is not going to be pretty (from the schools' POV, of course).
Kids are now applying to as many schools that they can now that most colleges aren’t charging for applying. It’s bragging rights for the student, parent and their high schools to be able to say they were admitted to so many colleges. I know many parents who understandably are bargain hunting too to get as much aid as they can from competing colleges.
 
Kids are now applying to as many schools that they can now that most colleges aren’t charging for applying. It’s bragging rights for the student, parent and their high schools to be able to say they were admitted to so many colleges.

Yeah, that definitely plays a part in it, but it's been happening for several years now and usually ended up translating into record or near-record class sizes. The discount rate is the real story and it's how some schools with seemingly good enrollment end up in financial trouble. It's a fine line that the Admissions/Financial Aid folks have to walk every year.
 
I came across my old bursars bill for SU for my senior year at SU in 1979. Tuition, room and board and fees totaled around $7,800. It seams outrageous that it now costs nearly $90,000, but that’s 45 years ago. It’s actually less than a $2,000 increase a year. If I had to guess, the biggest increases have come in the past twenty years.
It’s gone up about 60k since 2003. Pretty sure my bill that year was 33k and without scholarships I myself never would have been able to swing it then.
 
Wasn’t sure jf this deserved its own thread. Pretty embarrassing article in today’s NY Times.

I logged into NYT this morning to get an update on Iran/Israel and I had to do a double take when I saw this picture on the front page.

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There is an athletics fee. I have documented it in other threads. If I remember I believe it is something like $2500/student. 20,000 students. That’s over 50% of the approximately $80m AD budget.
I’d like to see that if you have it. Would love to be proven wrong but my understanding is that it doesn’t exist at Syracuse
 
There is an athletics fee. I have documented it in other threads. If I remember I believe it is something like $2500/student. 20,000 students. That’s over 50% of the approximately $80m AD budget.
This upcoming academic year will be my 8th consecutive year (and thankfully my last) of paying SU tuition.

There is no sports fee.

Students have to pay for seasons tix for hoops and football but there is no separate sports fee like there is at other schools.
 
This upcoming academic year will be my 8th consecutive year (and thankfully my last) of paying SU tuition.

There is no sports fee.

Students have to pay for seasons tix for hoops and football but there is no separate sports fee like there is at other schools.
Here is what I was referring to. I believe it is categorized as part of the "Activity fee".

Upon further looking into it, I found that the total cost of attendance at SU is estimated at over $91,000 per year for undergrads living on campus. The tuition DEFINITLY includes an athletics fee, but it is hidden and because SU is a private school, they don't report these numbers (but ironically Newhouse received a grant to track them). The only real analysis I have been able to find is an article from 2020 about this fee and the surprise/frustration of students who don't want to pay for athletics and don't really know they are, (I coincidentally made reference to this in an earlier post). That fee can be incorporated into student loans, and when amortized over the period of the loan, can add up to a substantial amount being paid down over years, (the article suggests the JMU student they highlight might pay $10,000 in accrued interest on athletics fees over the life of the loan).


The article's data doesn't include SU, but suggests that for a school of our size and stature/budget, about 5%-10% of our athletic budget is covered by the student athletics fee. To look at it another way, a fair guess would be $1,000 a year per student, (some are as high as $2500 a year and 50% of the athletic budget). I will estimate our budget at $85 million and our enrollment at 22,000. That is $22 million a year based on fee per student and $4.25 million - $8.5 million based on % of budget. Again, this is all guesswork given that SU doesn't report. That is not nothing.

Also keep in mind that the University, and not the AD covers the cost of scholarships to athletes typically, so that is above and beyond the AD budget. Game attendance plays a role too as FBS requires an average attendance of 15k. If the school is not able to achieve that through normal sales, they cover it with the student fee (subsidized cost of student tickets). I assume this can also be used to "manufacture" sell outs.

2024-25 Cost of Attendance​

Undergraduate Students (Living On Campus)​

Tuition - $63,710
Housing & food (average) - $19,188
Miscellaneous fees* - $ 1,818
Books, course materials, supplies, and equipment - $1,753
Transportation - $796
Personal expenses - $1,228
Loan fees (if applicable) - $67

Total Cost of Attendance - $88,560

Health insurance** - $2,474

Total Cost of Attendance (with health insurance) - $91,034

*The residential internet, cable access, and service fee is a mandatory fee for all who sign a Syracuse University housing contract.
**This mandatory fee may be waived if the student has adequate private health insurance.

In March 2020, NBC News reported that Syracuse University students paid a $2,340 fee each year to fund the school's sports teams. This fee was not for using the gym or funding student clubs and activities.

OK thank you. This is more than twice what my "straw man" assumes, so the 25% funding is more like 50% funding,
 
There is an athletics fee. I have documented it in other threads. If I remember I believe it is something like $2500/student. 20,000 students. That’s over 50% of the approximately $80m AD budget.

That's crazy.
 

2025-26 Cost of Attendance​

Undergraduate Students (Living On Campus)​

Tuition - $66,580
Housing & food (average) - $19,756
Miscellaneous fees* - $1,849
Books, course materials, supplies, and equipment - $1,799
Transportation - $817
Personal expenses - $1,260
Loan fees (if applicable) - $67

Total Cost of Attendance - $92,128

Health insurance** - $2,664

Total Cost of Attendance (with health insurance) - $94,792

*The residential internet, cable access, and service fee is a mandatory fee for all who sign a Syracuse University housing contract.
**This mandatory fee may be waived if the student has adequate private health insurance.
 
He will be The Chancellor as long as he wants the job and the Biard of Trustees wants him. Private schools face financial challenges that large state schools do not.
The cost needs to be looked at in terms of the quality of the experience. Huge state schools do, like Ohio State and Texas, for examples bring in huge numbers of first year students, who are weeded out along the way through their first 2 years. IMO, Syracuse offers support services designed upon retaining students.
According to to Research in Higher Education, 39% of degree seeking students, do not graduate According to US News and World Report, 74% of undergraduate students graduate in 4 years; what does this have to do with our current Chancellor? He is the leader. No college has 100% graduation rate. Way too many traditional age students are not ready for the self directed independent skills necessary for success in college. I worked at Syracuse, as an educator for a long time, some of which was during Kent’s tenure. Did I love everything he initiated, no, however, I fell that the majority of of his initiatives added value to the student experience.
 

2025-26 Cost of Attendance​

Undergraduate Students (Living On Campus)​

Tuition - $66,580
Housing & food (average) - $19,756
Miscellaneous fees* - $1,849
Books, course materials, supplies, and equipment - $1,799
Transportation - $817
Personal expenses - $1,260
Loan fees (if applicable) - $67

Total Cost of Attendance - $92,128

Health insurance** - $2,664

Total Cost of Attendance (with health insurance) - $94,792

*The residential internet, cable access, and service fee is a mandatory fee for all who sign a Syracuse University housing contract.
**This mandatory fee may be waived if the student has adequate private health insurance.
FYI, most undergraduate students only live on campus for the first 2 years. A good investment would be the purchase of a house, close to campus, for your student to reside in for the last 2 years. Even with Greek Housing, those students typically live in the house for 1 year, right after they pledge and then move off campus.
 
He will be The Chancellor as long as he wants the job and the Biard of Trustees wants him. Private schools face financial challenges that large state schools do not.
The cost needs to be looked at in terms of the quality of the experience. Huge state schools do, like Ohio State and Texas, for examples bring in huge numbers of first year students, who are weeded out along the way through their first 2 years. IMO, Syracuse offers support services designed upon retaining students.
According to to Research in Higher Education, 39% of degree seeking students, do not graduate According to US News and World Report, 74% of undergraduate students graduate in 4 years; what does this have to do with our current Chancellor? He is the leader. No college has 100% graduation rate. Way too many traditional age students are not ready for the self directed independent skills necessary for success in college. I worked at Syracuse, as an educator for a long time, some of which was during Kent’s tenure. Did I love everything he initiated, no, however, I fell that the majority of of his initiatives added value to the student experience.
I’m repeating my earlier comments in this thread, but he should have been gone long before now. SU’s overall ranking has been in constant decline during his tenure, and I was unimpressed by his handling of last year’s protests. A record number of applicants is a chimera, as the recent NYT article illustrates. The recent law school dean hiring was a head scratcher, although the school did recently announced it had improved its ranking to no. 107, down something like 34 from 12 years ago.
I would be impressed with an announcement that say $100mm of the latest round of fundraising was going to be spent on a program improving academic excellence, but don’t see that happening. The BOT I’m not sure exactly what they do.
My immediate family has six SU degrees btw, so I’m not a disinterested observer.
 
On the flip side our party ranking is through the roof although sadly that has slipped a few notches
 
I logged into NYT this morning to get an update on Iran/Israel and I had to do a double take when I saw this picture on the front page.

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Wow - and no one from the school went on record except for the Provost sending a canned 1-paragraph response.

Also interesting that the NYT decided to NOT put the article behind the paywall...
 
FYI, most undergraduate students only live on campus for the first 2 years. A good investment would be the purchase of a house, close to campus, for your student to reside in for the last 2 years. Even with Greek Housing, those students typically live in the house for 1 year, right after they pledge and then move off campus.
I agree. I posted from the SU website to counter some of the wild speculation here.
 
Wow - and no one from the school went on record except for the Provost sending a canned 1-paragraph response.

Also interesting that the NYT decided to NOT put the article behind the paywall...
I posted it as a gift article - it was originally behind paywall but as a subscriber can share a certain number of articles for free. Thought it was interesting enough for all to read
 
Michigan did this with my nephew who went to Cornell and graduated in 1996. Michigan honors program was basically recruiting him after he turned them down. I think they came back with 5 offers overall. So this went on in the early 1990s.
 

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