How the HECK...

[RoatanCuse]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

 

[longislandcuse]

Moving Syracuse to Ohio would definitely help in recruiting.

I get what you’re saying though. Hard to build a program when you finish last/second to last in conference recruiting every year.

That’s not the case for teams on the rise in lesser conferences.

Also, Fickell >>>>>>> Dino

 

[RoatanCuse]

over the last 15-25 years, do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

 

[cuseincincy]

over the last 15-25 years, do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

In Cincinnati's case it is 3 things:

1. Coaching
2. Talent available in proximity.
3. The weather is really nothing like Syracuse. (This one doesn't really matter but...)

 

[djorange1989]

over the last 15-25 years, do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

I say they are better than not just us but Pitt, BC, Rutgers and many other cold weather schools

 

[kcsu]

Its what happens when you hire lousy coaches and dont invest in your program.
At this point we are on par and about to pass some of our peer schools. Lets hope Dino pulls it together this year

 

[Crusty]

I say they are better than not just us but Pitt, BC, Rutgers and many other cold weather schools

Are we the only program in a state that does not have Spring football?

 

[All4SU]

It’s pretty simple really...

#1 - You don’t fire the coach who gave you the best run of winning seasons, big wins and bowl games in program history. You find a way to give him what he needs to continue to be successful.

#2 - You don’t hire his replacement at the 23rd hour after all schools have picked over the pool of possible qualified candidates.

#3 - You don’t let THAT Guy’s replacement leave because he doesn’t have what he says he needs to be successful, and what you promised to provide.

I don’t think Cincy has approached filling their coaching hires in this matter. Plus, at Cincy, a Coach knows he can use it as a stepping stone to a better gig, if he can demonstrate success, and not just get beat up in conference.

 

[Briancuse]

Cincy has had great coaches over the year and Ohio is a top 5 state for high school talent. BYU and Boise have had some really good coaches. Byu has older players so that helps.

 

[AAM62]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

They play lesser competition

 

[tipphill]

Its what happens when you hire lousy coaches and dont invest in your program.
At this point we are on par and about to pass some of our peer schools. Lets hope Dino pulls it together this year

many of us spoke about su not reinvesting in the program years ago when we were good---it cost pp his job. ---sorry, i should not look backward when today is to look forward. my mistake.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

In Cincinnati's case it is 3 things:

1. Coaching
2. Talent available in proximity.
3. The weather is really nothing like Syracuse. (This one doesn't really matter but...)

Only one explanation

 

[SUGIANT]

BY has been a fair team for quite awhile, I don’t think they are ACC quality. Cincinnati had a good year no doubt but have they sustained that year in year out, I’m not sure. SU was pretty good just a couple of years ago, I’m not Sue it’s fair to say these programs have outpaced them. i think Dino is a good coach also. Ditching him now would be a huge mistake.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Didn’t Tauberville coach at Cincy? I wouldn’t call that a smart hire. He’s not the brightest bulb.

 

[DMDMD]

Didn’t Tauberville coach at Cincy? I wouldn’t call that a smart hire. He’s not the brightest bulb.

Take it back, the mans a senator!!!

 

[Cusefan69]

Take it back, the mans a senator!!!

Who is quoted as saying that the 3 branches of the government are the House, the Senate and the executive.

 

[qdawgg]

Covid.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

Been discussed ad nauseum over the last few months. Boise State recruits mostly California and Texas, BYU is the flagship institution for a growing religion, Cincy gets high quality kids who aren't Ohio State-caliber. Indiana was good for the first time in forever this year because of their coach's Florida connections. Iowa has had two coaches in 40 years and has been following the same blue print the whole time. The state of Wisconsin grows athletic 6'6", 300 kids like no one else.

Non-elite powers that win do it because they've found a niche and exploit it better than anyone else.

Also, as others have mentioned, BYU can schedule whomever they want, Boise State gets to play New Mexico, UNLV, and Colorado State every year, and Cincy also gets softies.

 

[orlandoorange]

Been discussed ad nauseum over the last few months. Boise State recruits mostly California and Texas, BYU is the flagship institution for a growing religion, Cincy gets high quality kids who aren't Ohio State-caliber. Indiana was good for the first time in forever this year because of their coach's Florida connections. Iowa has had two coaches in 40 years and has been following the same blue print the whole time. The state of Wisconsin grows athletic 6'6", 300 kids like no one else.

Non-elite powers that win do it because they've found a niche and exploit it better than anyone else.

Also, as others have mentioned, BYU can schedule whomever they want, Boise State gets to play New Mexico, UNLV, and Colorado State every year, and Cincy also gets softies.

It has been beaten to death, and I still don't understand your point about CA and TX in relation to anything.

If it's a matter of proximity, OH, NJ, PA, and DC are all closer to SU than CA or TX is to BSU.

 

[Crusty]

Didn’t Tauberville coach at Cincy? I wouldn’t call that a smart hire. He’s not the brightest bulb.

That's why he is now a zUS Senator. Go figure.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

If it's a matter of proximity, OH, NJ, PA, and DC are all closer to SU than CA or TX is to BSU.

That’s the point for Boise State - they have to go a long way for their talent because there isn’t anything local. They go to football powerhouse states and find under the radar kids who can play.

Cuse needs to continue trying to find gems around Charlotte - a growing area with ex-pats from everywhere. No traditional ties like many Jersey, PA, and Ohio schools have.

 

[Scooch]

Location fun fact:

It is 250 miles from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

It is 335 miles from Syracuse to Cleveland.

Basically, a kid playing football in northern Ohio has to drive about 90 minutes more to get to SU than Cincy. Seems like we could do better in recruiting northern OH (and western PA for that matter).

 

[HOFCeluck]

My guess would be the quality of their message board posters.

 

[Toga]

That’s the point for Boise State - they have to go a long way for their talent because there isn’t anything local. They go to football powerhouse states and find under the radar kids who can play.

Cuse needs to continue trying to find gems around Charlotte - a growing area with ex-pats from everywhere. No traditional ties like many Jersey, PA, and Ohio schools have.

I also understand they have little in the way of high academic standards.

 

[TheCusian]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

UCONN went to a new years six bowl once. We had a nice run. The difference between Alabama level teams and Syracuse level teams is consistency. Cincinnati won’t sustain this level over 20 years.