How the HECK...

[LeMoyneCuse]

Location fun fact:

It is 250 miles from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

It is 335 miles from Syracuse to Cleveland.

Basically, a kid playing football in northern Ohio has to drive about 90 minutes more to get to SU than Cincy. Seems like we could do better in recruiting northern OH (and western PA for that matter).

We need to recruit in metros that are growing (Atlanta, Charlotte), not metros that are shrinking (Cleveland, Pittsburgh).

 

[Crusty]

UCONN went to a new years six bowl once. We had a nice run. The difference between Alabama level teams and Syracuse level teams is consistency. Cincinnati won’t sustain this level over 20 years.

Certainly not with this coach. He will be gone soon.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

BYU couldn't win a game against Coastal to stay in the playoff hunt. They had an NFL QB, an easy schedule because of COVID and remember they have older kids due to LDS Missions.

Ohio is an enormous (population wise) football mad state that somehow only has 1 program. Even a state like Iowa has 2 programs that share the state. UC is essentially Michigan State of Ohio. They are going to get players. They also play in a decent conference that challenges them so they are ready to play a Georgia when it happens. Take Clemson out and the AAC is as good as the ACC IMO. UCF would beat FSU on a neutral field tomorrow.

Boise hasn't been that good for the last decade 8-9 wins in the MW is not impressive. San Jose St went undefeated in it this year.

If we had any success recruiting WRs like we have had in the secondary and a couple more big bodies on both sides of the OL we are a 6-7 win team this year and last.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Certainly not with this coach. He will be gone soon.

Where is Fickel going to go? The one job he wants back isn't gonna happen. He gets the best players that Ohio State doesn't want and its not Michigan he isn't expected to beat Ohio State. I guess he could end up at Pedo St if they can Franklin.

 

[SU68]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

Cincinnati's weather is not similar to Syracuse. It is right on the Ohio River across from Kentucky. BYU is at elevation and the snow is not wet like the lake-effect snow off of Ontario but is powder (think Rockies ski areas). Never been to Boise so I can't comment it.

 

[Stern]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

1) They are schools that care about Football and constantly invest big $$ in the football program
2) They make smart head coaching hires all the time
3) They don't overschedule to set themselves up for failure
4) They never fall to a level where there is a "stink" on them making it easier to recruit and improve recruiting

 

[Crusty]

It’s pretty simple really...

#1 - You don’t fire the coach who gave you the best run of winning seasons, big wins and bowl games in program history. You find a way to give him what he needs to continue to be successful.

#2 - You don’t hire his replacement at the 23rd hour after all schools have picked over the pool of possible qualified candidates.

#3 - You don’t let THAT Guy’s replacement leave because he doesn’t have what he says he needs to be successful, and what you promised to provide.

I don’t think Cincy has approached filling their coaching hires in this matter. Plus, at Cincy, a Coach knows he can use it as a stepping stone to a better gig, if he can demonstrate success, and not just get beat up in conference.

Where is Fickel going to go? The one job he wants back isn't gonna happen. He gets the best players that Ohio State doesn't want and its not Michigan he isn't expected to beat Ohio State. I guess he could end up at Pedo St if they can Franklin.

Somebody will buy him.

 

[BillSU]

Over the last 15-25 years, how do Cincinnati, Brigham Young, Boise State and a handful of other Northern schools with weather similar to ours, rise from relative obscurity to prominence? Personally, watching the Cincinnati v. Georgia game, I see superior coaching, players and play calling. What say you?

They all had great QUARTERBACKS one after another – google great QB's from each school look 'em up. One from each school:

Boise St.

Kellen Moore is one of the greatest college quarterbacks to ever play the game. His 50 wins as a starter is something that may never be matched—unless, of course, the now-named FBS decides to create a playoff system. However, don't hold your breath.

In any case, Moore was incredible as a starter for Bronco Nation. It was four years of excitement and fun.

Moore was a two-time All-American and named Quarterback of the Year by the Touchdown Club of Columbus in 2010 and 2011. In fact, it renamed the award after him.

He was a finalist for the Heisman in 2010 as well and the WAC Offensive Player of the Year in both 2009 and 2010.

Kellen led the Broncos to a Fiesta Bowl win over TCU following the 2009 season and subsequent victories in the Las Vegas Bowl in 2010 over Utah and 2011 over Arizona State.

In his career Moore threw for 14,667 yards and 142 touchdowns with only 28 interceptions. This included the 2011 season, when he threw for 3,800 yards and an incredible 43 scores.

Kellen Moore will be much missed in Bronco Land. He is the greatest quarterback in school history.

BYU

#2: Jim McMahon

Jimmy Mac certainly left his mark at BYU, probably as much for his antics off the field as on. There is no doubt that Jim McMahon would not survive at BYU with the Honor Code in today's digital media world we live in.

So I guess in some ways, it was good he played in the era in which he did. McMahon rewrote the record books at BYU and still has a number of BYU and NCAA records. He had to split time as a sophomore with Marc Wilson, who went on to become an All-American himself. But when McMahon got the keys himself, he led the Cougars to a 23-3 record as a junior and senior.

His most famous moment is a top play in college history as McMahon and the Cougars derailed the Pony Express from SMU in the 1980 Holiday Bowl. McMahon led the Cougars to one of the biggest comebacks in NCAA bowl history, erasing a 20-point lead with four minutes remaining. The Cougars had never won a bowl game before the "Miracle Bowl" of 1980.

Here is the short list of McMahon's accomplishments at BYU:

• First Team All-American 1981
  
• Third in Heisman Trophy Voting 1981
  
• BYU record 47 touchdown passes in a season
  
• Davey O'Brien Winner 1981
  
• Broke 70 NCAA records
  
• 84 touchdown Passes
  
• 9,536 career passing yards
  
• First round draft pick 1981
  
• 11 consecutive 300-yard passing games 1981
  

Cincinnati

Tony Pike

Tony Pike wasn’t even supposed to be good.

The best quarterback in program history went without scholarship offers until after his senior season when they trickled in from Toledo and eventually Cincinnati. When he got to Clifton in 2005 on the heels of Guidugli, he was handed a grayshirt. He didn’t play in 2006, and Mark Dantonio left for Michigan State following that season. Pike had been on campus for two years and hadn’t even sniffed playing time, and now he was looking at a coaching change, which can be hell for players on the fringes of the roster. His father suggested he try out for baseball.

Brian Kelly came on board and started Ben Mauk, who led the Bearcats to their first 10-win season since 1951, but Pike saw playing time. He went 11-for-20 for 91 yards as a sophomore. In 2008, he started the offseason fifth on the depth chart (per Sports Illustrated) before clawing his way to #2 behind Dustin Grutza. Grutza broke his arm in a loss to #4 Oklahoma, Pike entered the game, and he never looked back. The Bearcats won 11 games in 2008, earning their first-ever BCS bowl appearance. They went 12-0 in 2009, narrowly missing a shot at an inconceivable National Championship Game appearance. Pike was a legitimate Heisman candidate that year.

He certainly dealt with road blocks in the form of injuries, but you wouldn’t guess it looking at his stats. He currently sits 2nd all-time in career completion percentage, 3rd in career passing touchdowns, and 3rd in TD-INT ratio at +29. He’s one of just six Bearcat quarterbacks to pass for 5,000 yards in his career. He also started the two biggest games in Cincinnati history—the 2009 Orange Bowl and the 2010 Sugar Bowl.

 

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[Shrmdougluvr]

Location fun fact:

It is 250 miles from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

It is 335 miles from Syracuse to Cleveland.

Basically, a kid playing football in northern Ohio has to drive about 90 minutes more to get to SU than Cincy. Seems like we could do better in recruiting northern OH (and western PA for that matter).

Location fun fact:

Columbus, East Lansing, Ann Arbor, Pittsburgh, Morgantown, State College, South Bend, Lafayette, and Lexington are all closer to Cleveland than Syracuse.
I think Marrone had the right idea - recruit metro's with direct flights to Syracuse (Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, and Chicago) then hit states within a 6-hr drive. Dino's basically doing the same thing.

Recruiting to Syracuse is tough though geographically.

 

[Scooch]

Location fun fact:

Columbus, East Lansing, Ann Arbor, Pittsburgh, Morgantown, State College, South Bend, Lafayette, and Lexington are all closer to Cleveland than Syracuse.
I think Marrone had the right idea - recruit metro's with direct flights to Syracuse (Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, and Chicago) then hit states within a 6-hr drive. Dino's basically doing the same thing.

Recruiting to Syracuse is tough though geographically.

I’m quite aware. Then why has Cincy, a non P5 program, been able to build what they have, going up against those same schools, geographically?

I’m no recuitnik, but I’m fully understanding of each and every one of SU’s recruiting challenges. Bottom line is we need to be better at it, or get better at developing who we bring to campus.

 

[Bulldog04]

I would love to take a poll of how many members have played a division 1 sport and actually got recruited and know the process better than anyone. The stuff some of you come up with is absolutely insane to what you think a recruit thinks about or cares about.

 

[kirbivore]

I would love to take a poll of how many members have played a division 1 sport and actually got recruited and know the process better than anyone. The stuff some of you come up with is absolutely insane to what you think a recruit thinks about or cares about.

bags. If I win powerball or mega millions I will drop them "friends of the program" style to the recruits SU needs.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I would love to take a poll of how many members have played a division 1 sport and actually got recruited and know the process better than anyone. The stuff some of you come up with is absolutely insane to what you think a recruit thinks about or cares about.

Really though, football and basketball are different animals than most any other D-1 sport. And beyond that, major conference recruiting is different than 1-AA-type regional recruiting.

 

[tep624]

Coaching and investment. That’s it.

Weather and NY being a fairly weak recruiting state are headwinds but they are manageable.

The administration allowing the facilities to erode, were unwilling to pay assistants to stay, etc, that led us to where we were in the early 2000’s. Then the hiring of GRob was literally lipstick on a pig and the program cratered. West Coast pro style without the personnel to run it was not a good look.

It’s hard work digging yourself out of a crater and building something sustainable.

 

[OrangePA]

Take it back, the mans a senator!!!

He’s an ignorant fascist.

 

[Chip]

He’s an ignorant fascist.

OT board please.

 

[OrangePA]

OT board please.

Did you call for the post lauding Tuberville as a Senator to be moved?

Regardless, he's still an ignorant fascist.

Sorry to bring it up - it's only democracy in play.

 

[OrangePA]

I’m quite aware. Then why has Cincy, a non P5 program, been able to build what they have, going up against those same schools, geographically?

I’m no recuitnik, but I’m fully understanding of each and every one of SU’s recruiting challenges. Bottom line is we need to be better at it, or get better at developing who we bring to campus.

I recall that when SU visited Cincy during Marrone's tenure, the SU Athletic Department reported back that the Bearcats' Athletic Village was truly impressive.

 

[Chip]

Did you call for the post lauding Tuberville as a Senator to be moved?

Regardless, he's still an ignorant fascist.

Sorry to bring it up - it's only democracy in play.

OT board please. It’s not hard to find.

 

[Chip]

Take it back, the mans a senator!!!

OT board please. Don’t want anyone to think I’m picking sides. We have a whole board for this stuff.