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Message: [QUOTE="cuseincincy, post: 4643625, member: 331"] I'd put Symir in the same category with JBA. He just wasn't good enough to be a contributor. In my opinion the team is already better. I understand the "landscape" has changed but I'm old and stubborn. I don't consider Joe and Jesse losses. They each put in their 4 years and truthfully both produced more than we should have expected from them. They are both excellent at a couple things and inadequate in several others. They were our senior leaders and played well to their ability, but the team wasn't good enough. SU lost a lot of games with those 2 in the lineup. JJ and Chance are the type of players SU needs to compete at the highest levels. Will either reach it we'll see. I'd much rather have JJ, Chance and Judah than Joe, Jesse and Judah. But as most discussions of this subject, it mostly depends on Judah. [/QUOTE]