Hypothetically, if Marrone was fired

[DPCuse]

I'd take him back in a second. He took this crap program and made it respectable again. There is a good reason he was sought after by NFL teams.

 

[Stevenson]

The bills suck and so does Duh Marrone

 

[orangenirvana]

No, they haven't.

It's just tough for me to view it like that because you never get the intangibles going that I think are so critical. Trust, continuity, etc. But, maybe that stuff doesn't matter anymore in an NFL where guys are coming and going week to week.

These days a quality head coach can "get the intangibles going" from the day he's hired in January through the following Labor Day weekend. Good head coaches don't need years to build an NFL team into a winner.

Look at the 49ers and Chiefs. 49ers were a perpetual 6-10/7-9 team throughout the 2000's. Harbaugh comes in and the Niners immediately become contenders. The Chiefs were irrelevant and posted the worst record in the NFL in 2012. Andy Reid walks in and they immediately become a perennial playoff team. It's not a coincidence. Head coaches are extremely valuable in the NFL and quality HC's are recognizable in Year #1...the middle of Year 2 at the latest.

The Bills had a lot of pieces in place when Marrone came in so he has very few excuses. But what's really killed him are his questionable personnel decisions and being such a train wreck as a game manager. One thing (perhaps the only thing) that has saved him to this point is his landing of Pettine and Schwartz in consecutive seasons to be his DC. If not for the defense - hoo boy.

 

[CuseOnly]

You're talking strictly winning percentage. What coach is going to come in and change that immediately?

IMO there's more to the game than that. There is more talent offensively on this team than any time in the recent history. The defense is above average. A QB on this team changes the entire dynamic, which is fair to say, was Marrone's doing in drafting Manuel. Orton was a scramble move to bring in a serviceable vet to scrape together the most wins possible in the event Manuel didn't work.

EJ wasn't Marrone's pick.

 

[CuseOnly]

Even as a die hard Bills fan, that line cracked me up.

I thought Millhouse's comment"...I would give Marrone a cookie but he would punt it away" was a classic.

 

[Millhouse]

These days a quality head coach can "get the intangibles going" from the day he's hired in January through the following Labor Day weekend. Good head coaches don't need years to build an NFL team into a winner. Look at the 49ers and Chiefs. 49ers were a perpetual 6-10/7-9 team throughout the 2000's. Harbaugh comes in and the Niners immediately become contenders. The Chiefs were irrelevant and posted the worst record in the NFL in 2012. Andy Reid walks in and they immediately become a perennial playoff team. It's not a coincidence. Head coaches are extremely valuable in the NFL and quality HC's are recognizable in Year #1...the middle of Year 2 at the latest. The Bills had a lot of pieces in place when Marrone came in so he has very few excuses. But what's really killed him are his questionable personnel decisions and being such a train wreck as a game manager. One thing (perhaps the only thing) that has saved him to this point is his landing of Pettine and Schwartz in consecutive seasons to be his DC. If not for the defense - hoo boy.

He's three for three with defensive coordinators, I'll give him credit there

 

[Finwad32]

EJ wasn't Marrone's pick.

So Marrone didn't have any input on the decision to draft Manuel with Buddy Nix?

He was a rookie HC. Knew he needed a QB. Drafted the position.

EJ wasn't Marrone's pick? Yes, yes he was, because Doug was the HC at the time he was drafted.

Regardless, out of this entire discussion that's the point that's been derived?

 

[Finwad32]

These days a quality head coach can "get the intangibles going" from the day he's hired in January through the following Labor Day weekend. Good head coaches don't need years to build an NFL team into a winner.

Look at the 49ers and Chiefs. 49ers were a perpetual 6-10/7-9 team throughout the 2000's. Harbaugh comes in and the Niners immediately become contenders. The Chiefs were irrelevant and posted the worst record in the NFL in 2012. Andy Reid walks in and they immediately become a perennial playoff team. It's not a coincidence. Head coaches are extremely valuable in the NFL and quality HC's are recognizable in Year #1...the middle of Year 2 at the latest.

The Bills had a lot of pieces in place when Marrone came in so he has very few excuses. But what's really killed him are his questionable personnel decisions and being such a train wreck as a game manager. One thing (perhaps the only thing) that has saved him to this point is his landing of Pettine and Schwartz in consecutive seasons to be his DC. If not for the defense - hoo boy.

It's easy to cherry pick success stories. Furthermore, the Chiefs had the worst record in the NFL in 2012, they were 17-15 the two years prior to that and 10-6 in 2010. 2012 was more of an anomaly that 2013. Let's not act like Reid was handed an expansion team.

I can find just as many examples that took longer to develop.

The assumption you're making that these traits are recognizable within two seasons may have some truth in that you see certain things you like in that timeframe. Does not make it finite within every situation.

 

[Millhouse]

So Marrone didn't have any input on the decision to draft Manuel with Buddy Nix? He was a rookie HC. Knew he needed a QB. Drafted the position. EJ wasn't Marrone's pick? Yes, yes he was, because Doug was the HC at the time he was drafted. Regardless, out of this entire discussion that's the point that's been derived?

Marrone was there for five min at that point and they already had too many cooks with nix and Whaley . Who knows

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The same Doug Marrone who is reputed to have refused to meet with Melvin Gordon when he and his family visited Syracuse on their own dime? That one? No thanks.

Doug served his purpose. He reached the limits of his success and abilities in 2012. Time to move on.

 

[orangenirvana]

It's easy to cherry pick success stories. Furthermore, the Chiefs had the worst record in the NFL in 2012, they were 17-15 the two years prior to that and 10-6 in 2010. 2012 was more of an anomaly that 2013. Let's not act like Reid was handed an expansion team.

I can find just as many examples that took longer to develop.

The assumption you're making that these traits are recognizable within two seasons may have some truth in that you see certain things you like in that timeframe. Does not make it finite within every situation.

True, not within every situation. But certainly this situation. Marrone has stunk in Buffalo to this point. And I was one of his biggest supporters.

 

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