I believe in Dajuan Coleman

[MadNY3]

But after this game, if I'm Hop, I call DC at 6am tomorrow and say:

"You put up a goose egg on Colgate, a team whose kids used to triple team you in high school."

Then hang up.

This kid could be the Hoops version of Johnnie Morant or Qadry Ismail in terms of developing a bit later than many thought. I hope and still really think he can be a dominaint-for-stretches 4/5 for us at some point.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

He's definitely been an enigma so far. For shats and giggles I pulled up Andre Hawkins stats. Coleman is definitely taller and bigger but I thought it would be interesting to see how Andre progressed his first three years. Most importantly is the fact that neither guy is/was every going to be the cornerstone of the offense. Hawkins best year was a junior where he averaged 10.5 pts and 5.9 boards in 28 minutes per game. I'm not about to judge but that might be DaJuan's ceiling.

http://www.orangehoops.org/AHawkins.htm

 

[two3zone]

One thing that hurts Coleman IMO is that he isn't built to be a 4 in the zone. M2M it would be ok, but he isn't able to get to the perimeter quick enough to defend the outside. Being hamstrung right there hurts him, guys like Rak will always get more minutes and opportunity because of their versatility.

I know it's only 3 games into his second season, but unless he can develop some sort of offensive game that doesn't involve being stripped or stuffed half the time he has the ball he is going to be in trouble. I just haven't seen enough out of him, he had a double double last game but even with those numbers he still looked like crap out there.


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[baggerbob]

Until he can play some defense, he will not see the floor meaningful minutes in league games. Hopefully Rak, and Baye don't get in foul trouble very often.

 

[skurey]

I know this is going to open Pandora's box but I really wish I could see how he turned out if he went to UK. Not saying he would be better, worse or the same, just interesting to think about.

 

[two3zone]

I know this is going to open Pandora's box but I really wish I could see how he turned out if he went to UK. Not saying he would be better, worse or the same, just interesting to think about.

I was thinking about the same thing today it's funny you brought that up.

I have NO idea. Last years team he may not have gotten any minutes at all, this years even less. Or who knows, maybe playing man to man would keep him on the floor more and he could succeed. Worst case he fails bad his freshman year (kinda what he did here last year) and they release him from his scholly.


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[jdubs30]

Until he can play some defense, he will not see the floor meaningful minutes in league games. Hopefully Rak, and Baye don't get in foul trouble very often.

I honestly don't think he's THAT bad on D. I mean, he's not Fab out there, but he's not a liability like he was last year. He honestly looks better than I thought he would overall, I think he might contribute come January.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

"I believe in Dajuan Coleman"

I also believe in Dajuan, in so far as it seems to me he exists.

 

[cusetown1]

I know this is going to open Pandora's box but I really wish I could see how he turned out if he went to UK. Not saying he would be better, worse or the same, just interesting to think about.

They probably would have won a championship with him last year. Definitely would have beaten Bert Morris.

 

[PoppyHart]

Did we have a fall back option (ala Warrick/Hodge) in case he chose Kentucky? I don't recall any alternate names.

 

[kirbivore]

I know this is going to open Pandora's box but I really wish I could see how he turned out if he went to UK. Not saying he would be better, worse or the same, just interesting to think about.

Calipari would have ran him off to get another burger kid in there

 

[Trueblue25]

We need a real bigs coach.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

We need a real bigs coach.

Agreed. I can't prove it objectively, but we just don't see the track record here to consistently recruit, cultivate, and ultimately, produce championship- and NBA-quality big men. That's fine (no pun intended there, Bernie) if we want to have good teams, but if we want to be in that top tier (UK, KU, Duke, UNC level) consistently, we need top-shelf big men.

Short of hiring a top-tier bigs coach (and I have no idea who those names would be), we may need one of our own bigs to provide an upside surprise, get the SU brand associated with a quality big guy, and develop around that.

In some fairness, we are getting there. We are getting some highly rated recruits (Rak, DC, McCullough). We need one to break out so we can say we are a good school for big men.

Easier said than done. Good or even decent big men in the pros make a ton of money over their careers, and probably are no longer interested in the grind of recruiting and traveling for a "mere" $300k-$400k as an assistant coach. As an example, Greg Ostertag from Kansas made almost $50 mill in salary in his career, and he retired 8 years ago. And what would he bring to the table as a coach?

 

[Cheriehoop]

Pete Newell, probably the most famous big man coach was 6'2".
Where are the facts regarding the premise that former big men make the best coaches for centers?

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Pete Newell, probably the most famous big man coach was 6'2".
Where are the facts regarding the premise that former big men make the best coaches for centers?

Snipe accepted. So name a name.

Besides, Newell was a pioneer here. He established a brand from many years ago. Realistically, in this day and age, who is some 6'11' inner city phenom going to let himself be coached by?

 

[texascpa]

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[hoopsupstate]

It might help if our bigs actually touched the ball on offense. All this team does is jack up jump shots. Grant is absolutely useless on offense unless he gets an offensive rebound. I'm already sick of seeing him put up obscene looking jump shots. He is also one of the worst foul shooters I've seen in a long time. I know it's early, but if we play like this in the ACC we'll be a five hundred team.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

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[Cheriehoop]

Snipe accepted. So name a name.

Besides, Newell was a pioneer here. He established a brand from many years ago. Realistically, in this day and age, who is some 6'11' inner city phenom going to let himself be coached by?

I apologize if you thought it was a snipe. My only point is that playing the center position doesn't seem to make a difference regarding the coaching ability for it.

I think there is a lack of good coaching for centers and its reflected all the way through the NBA. Many of the current "centers" are actually perimeter players with a forward's game. I'm pretty sure the NBA all-Star ballot even removed the center position totally from the voting. The forgotten neglected position? The center position appears to have evolved and they now just seem to be taller talented athletic forwards. We don't really see back to the basket type centers with a power game anymore unfortunately.

SU has Roosevelt Bouie who holds both youth and college clinics. I'm pretty sure he doesn't restrict himself to centers though. Pete Newell's big man camp has been cancelled the last few years. ??? The Lakers brought Kareem into help with Andrew Bynum with limited success ending up trading him to Cleveland. I don't know why more centers haven't gone into coaching but it seems they have little impact (other than John Thompson Jr) on teaching and influencing other centers.

I was just asking anyone (didn't mean to point you out) if there were any stats or empirical knowledge to back up the repeated assertion I read here that basketball coaches who played center would be the best coaches for that position. Thought there might be some evidence I wasn't aware about. I do agree that our centers haven't progressed like we'd have liked to. Bernie Fine was known as a big man expert but he didn't even play the game.

 

[texascpa]

It's a dull man who can spell a name only one way...

What's that Harrisen?

 

[OrangeinBoston]

But after this game, if I'm Hop, I call DC at 6am tomorrow and say:

"You put up a goose egg on Colgate, a team whose kids used to triple team you in high school."

Then hang up.

This kid could be the Hoops version of Johnnie Morant or Qadry Ismail in terms of developing a bit later than many thought. I hope and still really think he can be a dominaint-for-stretches 4/5 for us at some point.

How can Coleman, Christmas & Baye put up a whopping 4 points vs freakin' Colgate? This is going to be a problem in the ACC.

 

[orangefan13]

How can Coleman, Christmas & Baye put up a whopping 4 points vs freakin' Colgate? This is going to be a problem in the ACC.

Thats what happens when people only throw all them the ball a combined 5-6 times.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

I apologize if you thought it was a snipe. My only point is that playing the center position doesn't seem to make a difference regarding the coaching ability for it.

I think there is a lack of good coaching for centers and its reflected all the way through the NBA. Many of the current "centers" are actually perimeter players with a forward's game. I'm pretty sure the NBA all-Star ballot even removed the center position totally from the voting. The forgotten neglected position? The center position appears to have evolved and they now just seem to be taller talented athletic forwards. We don't really see back to the basket type centers with a power game anymore unfortunately.

SU has Roosevelt Bouie who holds both youth and college clinics. I'm pretty sure he doesn't restrict himself to centers though. Pete Newell's big man camp has been cancelled the last few years. ??? The Lakers brought Kareem into help with Andrew Bynum with limited success ending up trading him to Cleveland. I don't know why more centers haven't gone into coaching but it seems they have little impact (other than John Thompson Jr) on teaching and influencing other centers.

I was just asking anyone (didn't mean to point you out) if there were any stats or empirical knowledge to back up the repeated assertion I read here that basketball coaches who played center would be the best coaches for that position. Thought there might be some evidence I wasn't aware about. I do agree that our centers haven't progressed like we'd have liked to. Bernie Fine was known as a big man expert but he didn't even play the game.

It was unfair of me to characterize your remark as a "snipe". Sorry.

Newell passed on in 2008. It would follow that his camp would have a short half-life after that.

Bouie would be an excellent choice, IMO. He was fundamentally sound, and developed some very decent post moves later on. Maybe Orr as well, or Wendell Alexis, who had a very nice career in Italy, IIRC. They would have credibility to anyone worth coaching.

 

[CuseinNYC]

It was unfair of me to characterize your remark as a "snipe". Sorry.

Newell passed on in 2008. It would follow that his camp would have a short half-life after that.

Bouie would be an excellent choice, IMO. He was fundamentally sound, and developed some very decent post moves later on. Maybe Orr as well, or Wendell Alexis, who had a very nice career in Italy, IIRC. They would have credibility to anyone worth coaching.

I think the real question is whether the current group of coaches could mould a guy like Rick Jackson from his freshman year lost-self into the man he became by his senior year. The jury is definitely still out on this one, as they have not done so yet. I hope they're able to.

 

[dasher]

How can Coleman, Christmas & Baye put up a whopping 4 points vs freakin' Colgate? This is going to be a problem in the ACC.

Not really. It's not like this is the first time we will play in a good league. We will be fine.