I could never be an official…

[Orangeman]

I just wouldn't have it in me…

Was at the game, and they conspicuously chose to not show replays on the big scenes on controversial plays, so some of this could be way off…and ND was clearly the better team but...

The crew horribly botched TWO fumble calls in the first half. One of which needlessly cost one side a TD. Honestly what was the game like before replay? Would ND just have kept the ball on those two plays despite completely obvious fumbles? But they were completely obvious fumbles and were called incorrectly.

Then we are finally threatening on a WR screen that gets us close to a first down on their 20…wait, another holding penalty on our WR. I'll grant that they prob executed better on blocking those plays, but on TV it may not have been clear that the official RIGHT ON THE PLAY didn't flag that…it was the guy 30 yards down the field that decided to throw his flag in about 4-5 seconds late. Questionable.

Anyway, to then have the debacle of an officiating 1H, when you were booed off the field, and then on Syracuse's first possession of the 2H to not call a PI penalty in the end zone on ND when our guy appeared to be held while the ball was in the air, and then to call PI on Syracuse in end zone going the other way (which looked like may have been the right call), and then to never flag ND for holding on the wing when you could conceivable call those on any play…

My point is that ALL the judgement calls went against us, and I just would not have it in me to continue to screw over one team after I know I cost them a TD with my incompetence in the 1H.

I guess you have to give them credit for continuing to do the job even when they know they're doing a poor one.

Good fun game experience despite the outcome, hope our guys that got hurt are OK.

On another note, it seems like our injuries are always 6:1 vs. our opponent? What's going on?

 

[SmilinBob]

The whistle made during the kill the clock pass by the official that assumed what happened kind of showed he didn't really watch what happened. Also, the ball marks really sucked and I mean really sucked by that crew last night. ND was better last night but still these officials struggled.

 

[Crusty]

Throughout the ages, every NBA star has been allowed to walk, turn the ball over and charge. Stars get the calls, period because the refs are strangely intimidated by them - I guess it is just human nature. I think the same thing happens in football. The top teams always get the benefit of the doubt.

That said, the crew last night was really incompetent - embarrassingly so.

 

[CousCuse]

The whistle made during the kill the clock pass by the official that assumed what happened kind of showed he didn't really watch what happened. Also, the ball marks really sucked and I mean really sucked by that crew last night. ND was better last night but still these officials struggled.

Their bank accounts aren't struggling.

 

[SmilinBob]

Throughout the ages, every NBA star has been allowed to walk, turn the ball over and charge. Stars get the calls, period because the refs are strangely intimidated by them - I guess it is just human nature. I think the same thing happens in football. The top teams always get the benefit of the doubt.

That said, the crew last night was really incompetent - embarrassingly so.

The NBA is pro wrestling with a ball. The brass knows what puts food on the table.

The officials last night, while it is possible they were star struck, sucked and blew and I can not express how much I would love a laser to be put on the ball to judge where to mark it.

 

[Orangeman]

The whistle made during the kill the clock pass by the official that assumed what happened kind of showed he didn't really watch what happened. Also, the ball marks really sucked and I mean really sucked by that crew last night. ND was better last night but still these officials struggled.

Yes, on the series we ultimately missed on 4th down at their twenty, the first down play we reached "call it the 25 I think" and they moved it back a yard to 26

 

[upperdeck]

the 2 PI calls blown each way. Whig didnt hold but he might have commited PI, but the ball was uncatchable so bad call. the one on ISH though how do they all miss that call?

 

[SmilinBob]

the 2 PI calls blown each way. Whig didnt hold but he might have commited PI, but the ball was uncatchable so bad call. the one on ISH though how do they all miss that call?

It was right in front of him so maybe he was far sighted.

 

[Orangeman]

the 2 PI calls blown each way. Whig didnt hold but he might have commited PI, but the ball was uncatchable so bad call. the one on ISH though how do they all miss that call?

Think about that…we like to say that officials don't change the game…

Well, if they don't screw up before the half (and admittedly, it would have been a cheap TD) we're down 14-10.

First possession of 2H, if instead of punting we have 1st down at the 30 yard line…

anyway, they just had some better guys and stuff didn't go our way, that's sports.

 

[upperdeck]

officials should be able to make the easy calls when thats all you have to look at. the stuff like holding where 12 guys are hand fighting and they are usually out of position you can see mistakes.. the one on ISH was even worse since he threw the hat saying he wasnt eligible and since he was pushed out he was. its like he didnt see the contact at all. And the one on Estime the back judge has only that play to watch, the replay you can see him looking right at it, without the hold he probably scores if he catches it.

 

[Orangeman]

Just one more clarification of my post, because I don't want to sound like I'm b!tching/moaning….

What I mean to clarify is that I understand there are six individuals out there just trying to (presumably) call a fair game etc etc. I get it…

But this was different…in this case, you have 6 grown men who retire to the locker room for half-time with each other for about 20 minutes, and they have to realize that, golly gee, not only did we blow two fumble calls really badly, but one of us (in this case me, the lead official), blew my whistle costing the underdog a TD…AND our judgement calls stopped at least one if not two of their drives.

Or, what else are they talking about in there? Nothing?

Then, they come out and the very next two judgement calls go polar opposite against the team that was just hosed in the 1H.

I would just have loved to be in that locker room to hear what was discussed. Or been on the headset as the replay coordinator is like "uh, dude, this isn't even close, I don't know how your guys missed this fumble. Lets just chat a while so people think it was some close call".

This team should be huddling up before each play. "Going fast' and posting 3 points just doesn't compute. It only tires out your defense (which might explain all our injuries).

 

[upperdeck]

the officials have been in told dont blow the whistle, let the play finish out. 2 didnt do that on a play neither paid attention too

 

[OrangeDW]

The NBA is pro wrestling with a ball. The brass knows what puts food on the table.

The officials last night, while it is possible they were star struck, sucked and blew and I can not express how much I would love a laser to be put on the ball to judge where to mark it.

Which is why the incredibly glamorous San Antonio Spurs, who play in one of the smallest sports markets and feature the least controversial and talked about (boring to those who don't actually like bball that much) superstar ever, have won 5 titles in the last 15 years, including last year...

 

[OrangeDW]

I can deal with missed holding and PI calls.

But the fumble TD not counting is just ridiculous and makes no sense. The purpose of replay is to get calls like that right. The officials' mistake cost us a TD. With replay, that should never happen.

And missing the first ND fumble was inexcusable. That's as obvious of a fumble as you'll ever see. At least replay fixed that one, but I had the feeling we were in for a long night after they missed that one live and then took forever looking at it/talking about it.

 

[CousCuse]

I can deal with missed holding and PI calls.

But the fumble TD not counting is just ridiculous and makes no sense. The purpose of replay is to get calls like that right. The officials' mistake cost us a TD. With replay, that should never happen.

And missing the first ND fumble was inexcusable. That's as obvious of a fumble as you'll ever see. At least replay fixed that one, but I had the feeling we were in for a long night after they missed that one live and then took forever looking at it/talking about it.

The first fumble; "Let's give ND's DC time to get his group ready to play , so Syracuse doesn't catch them flat footed".

 

[CousCuse]

I can deal with missed holding and PI calls.

But the fumble TD not counting is just ridiculous and makes no sense. The purpose of replay is to get calls like that right. The officials' mistake cost us a TD. With replay, that should never happen.

And missing the first ND fumble was inexcusable. That's as obvious of a fumble as you'll ever see. At least replay fixed that one, but I had the feeling we were in for a long night after they missed that one live and then took forever looking at it/talking about it.

The first fumble; "Let's give ND's DC time to get his group ready to play , so Syracuse doesn't catch them flat footed".

 

[retro44]

I just wouldn't have it in me…


Then we are finally threatening on a WR screen that gets us close to a first down on their 20…wait, another holding penalty on our WR. I'll grant that they prob executed better on blocking those plays, but on TV it may not have been clear that the official RIGHT ON THE PLAY didn't flag that…it was the guy 30 yards down the field that decided to throw his flag in about 4-5 seconds late. Questionable.

The replay they showed on T.V. was a solid legit 100% correct call on Ishmael....the holding

 

[Orangeman]

The replay they showed on T.V. was a solid legit 100% correct call on Ishmael...the holding

Yeah, as I said that play was far away from us where we were sitting…I just found it interesting that the official about 3 yards from the play didn't bother to throw it, but the official 20-30 yards away, one of two guys who I think made some very questionable/one-sided PI penalties. Also don't believe they called a single holding penalty on ND though one could argue they might not have needed to Hold us.

Didn't start this thread to "complain" about the refs per se, I just found it psychologically interesting that the next two calls after half went against us after they absolutely took a game-changing TD away from one side. And those two judgement calls also would be considered game-changing (14-6 or 14-10 vs. 21-3).

I guess its harder to ref football…in basketball you can "give on back" if mess up a block/charge call, no big deal…in football, I guess you could give up a free holding or PI penalty to the aggrieved party….but that didn't seem to happen

 

[retro44]

Yeah, as I said that play was far away from us where we were sitting…I just found it interesting that the official about 3 yards from the play didn't bother to throw it, but the official 20-30 yards away, one of two guys who I think made some very questionable/one-sided PI penalties. Also don't believe they called a single holding penalty on ND though one could argue they might not have needed to Hold us.

Didn't start this thread to "complain" about the refs per se, I just found it psychologically interesting that the next two calls after half went against us after they absolutely took a game-changing TD away from one side. And those two judgement calls also would be considered game-changing (14-6 or 14-10 vs. 21-3).

I guess its harder to ref football…in basketball you can "give on back" if mess up a block/charge call, no big deal…in football, I guess you could give up a free holding or PI penalty to the aggrieved party….but that didn't seem to happen

the P.I. penalties were legit also...you should watch a replay then. They had a hand full of jerseys as well

 

[Orangeman]

the P.I. penalties were legit also...you should watch a replay then. They had a hand full of jerseys as well

Thanks

What about the non-PI penalties they didn't call against ND?

Specifically the possession after halftime and the one later where the ref threw his hat because our receiver was OoBs but didn't evaluate how he got there?

 

[retro44]

Thanks

What about the non-PI penalties they didn't call against ND?

Specifically the possession after halftime and the one later where the ref threw his hat because our receiver was OoBs but didn't evaluate how he got there?

yeah they missed that one as the ref looked distracted as he was looking at the spot were Ismael went out of bounds to throw his hat down....I wonder if by going out of bounds it wipes out a P.I. penalty as then he becomes ineligible unless the DB touches the ball first.

 

[CuseOnly]

Throughout the ages, every NBA star has been allowed to walk, turn the ball over and charge. Stars get the calls, period because the refs are strangely intimidated by them - I guess it is just human nature. I think the same thing happens in football. The top teams always get the benefit of the doubt.

That said, the crew last night was really incompetent - embarrassingly so.

I always wonder if these guys have higher ups/supervisors. I know if I did my job that horribly, I probably would not be employed for long but you never hear of a referees being fired. I have heard them reprimanded but never fired.

This game was officiated as badly as the SU vs. Ohio State basketball game was a few years ago. But all the refs are still employed. It's insane.

I am going to look into being a ref, job security seems amazing.

 

[SmilinBob]

Which is why the incredibly glamorous San Antonio Spurs, who play in one of the smallest sports markets and feature the least controversial and talked about (boring to those who don't actually like bball that much) superstar ever, have won 5 titles in the last 15 years, including last year...

Superstars was what was written and what I fully agree with. San Antonio is a team.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Do people realize how difficult it is to officiate any sport?

Did some calls go against us? Absolutely. Do I think it would have mattered, eh, no. By the way- on the play where ND fumbled mid-spike, the whistle blew. People wanted the refs to allow the TD, but the play is considered dead when the whistle blows. IMO dumb rule, but it happens all the time at the college and the pro-level. This was not some sort of conspiracy, despite what some of the "we should be 4-0 crowd" believe.

Every single team in the game has calls that go against them, and every single team in the game has to find ways to win the game.

 

[SmilinBob]

Do people realize how difficult it is to officiate any sport?

Did some calls go against us? Absolutely. Do I think it would have mattered, eh, no. By the way- on the play where ND fumbled mid-spike, the whistle blew. People wanted the refs to allow the TD, but the play is considered dead when the whistle blows. IMO dumb rule, but it happens all the time at the college and the pro-level. This was not some sort of conspiracy, despite what some of the "we should be 4-0 crowd" believe.

Every single team in the game has calls that go against them, and every single team in the game has to find ways to win the game.

I wanted the ref to not assume it was a spike and actually see the play but your point is taken, it is a difficult sport to officiate.

 

[CousCuse]

Do people realize how difficult it is to officiate any sport?

Did some calls go against us? Absolutely. Do I think it would have mattered, eh, no. By the way- on the play where ND fumbled mid-spike, the whistle blew. People wanted the refs to allow the TD, but the play is considered dead when the whistle blows. IMO dumb rule, but it happens all the time at the college and the pro-level. This was not some sort of conspiracy, despite what some of the "we should be 4-0 crowd" believe.

Every single team in the game has calls that go against them, and every single team in the game has to find ways to win the game.

Notre Dame is famous for "magically" having calls go their way . Maybe you might recall the Stanford and Pittsburg games in 2012 . I wish they weren't brought into the ACC as they will attempt to use the conference selfishly like they did the Big East , which led to its demise.