I hate anti-bandwagoners

[JeremyCuse]

Total nothing-burger.

Taj is really the only one that kinda, sorta hurts a little, but it may end up being addition by subtraction. **

(** not unlike with hoops, when Jonny, Paul, and Devo all departed, and many people were crying that the sky was falling, and we were DOOMED. The "shut it down" season proved all the naysayers wrong.)

LaBrosse was apparently homesick. It happens.

Most of those other guys were buried on the depth chart, so I get why they'd want to try their chances for PT elsewhere.
Next man up!!

I am not in a panic about it but I wouldn't say its a nothing burger either, losing two starters for a team like SU in mid-season is a concern regardless of the reasons. I am also not sure comparing the SU bball team to really anything with the fball program is appropriate.

 

[qdawgg]

If you were in the "he can't build his own program" or "he's too stubborn to switch QBs" but now have landed on "he's bad at time management" you prob should spend some time in reflection lol

Typical gaslighting. Many of the people who’ve had questions about DB for awhile, one big argument has always been poor game time management/decision making and throw in some recruiting issues, especially on offense. But yes, go ahead and turn only part of the question marks into the entire argument and say it’s so.

 

[All4SU]

No doubt Dino stayed with Devito too long…..

Who did he have who was better than TD in 2019 or 2020?

 

[tbonezone]

Syracuse:

27–39

13–31

27-39 at syracuse. 13-31 in conference. you're pleased with his performance ? your happy with "we suck"
cuz nothing in those numbers suggests success.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Syracuse:

27–39

13–31

27-39 at syracuse. 13-31 in conference. you're pleased with his performance ? your happy with "we suck"
cuz nothing in those numbers suggests success.

YeAh BuT hE's BeTtEr ThAn LaSt YeAr

 

[Evan Miller]

EVERYONE on this forum wants Dino to be successful. He is in year six and we do see that this team is talented, much more so then previously. However, his decision making has cost his teams (now and in the past) ball games. Most on here including me are good with going for the win to end a game. Having that chaos on the sideline before going for it is just insane. In addition, conversing with several different coaches on whether to take a penalty or not doesn't give me the buy-in for Dino to be the long term head coach at SU. I certainly hope he proves me wrong and SU goes on a long bowl streak.

Going for 2 is not a bad call at all. But as you said, you need to have the play call ready to go. Know it in advance. No hesitation. No doubts. One you have run in practice successfully and are pretty certain it will work and team knows you will pull out in that situation.

What happened was a really bad look. Someone messed up. I actually don't think it was Dino. It was an assistant who messed up. But the HC is responsible. Goes with territory

 

[CuseCactus]

I support Dino. This year has been a total joy - despite the incredibly tight losses. He's on a different planet from Gerg and Meathead (Shafer). I'd take him over Marrone as well - while we had some decent years with Marrone, the team's were generally boring.

SU is a very tough place to entice a talented coach. Dino is a good man, good representative of our school and somewhat innovative.

The defense is risk taking and generally fun to watch with some great players.

Tucker and Shrader are a blast to watch - and we are scoring 30 or more points per game.

I'll be thrilled with 6-6. And build up from that.

 

[Evan Miller]

I think I'd like to see the staff remain in tact for next season considering the players coming back.
Shrader, Tucker, Bergeron, Queeley, Jackson, Benson, Alford, Ellis, Bleich, Illoa, maybe D Davis.
Wax, Jones, Thompson, Lockett, Darton, Okechukwu, Garrett, Nunn, Duce, etc.

Lots of talented pieces will return. I think the improvement that I see on the field (not record) makes me comfortable for one final make or break run. Biggest offseason stuff will be fortifying the DL with transfers and finding a WR.

I don't think he is going anywhere in any event. Because of the buyout. Even if team is 1-7 or 0-8. As Jerry McGuire said..."its all about the MONEY!!!

 

[Evan Miller]

Typical gaslighting. Many of the people who’ve had questions about DB for awhile, one big argument has always been poor game time management/decision making and throw in some recruiting issues, especially on offense. But yes, go ahead and turn only part of the question marks into the entire argument and say it’s so.

Yep...I agree. When you can't defend, deflect. Standard tactic when one has no legit defense.

Gaslight...or straw man arguments. He is 3-17 in ACC games since 2019. After Clemson likely 3-18. Meaning one win for every six losses? Are we having fun yet?

Sheesh!! I wish my boss would let me fail like that!!!

 

[JRHEETER]

I support Dino. This year has been a total joy - despite the incredibly tight losses. He's on a different planet from Gerg and Meathead (Shafer). I'd take him over Marrone as well - while we had some decent years with Marrone, the team's were generally boring.

SU is a very tough place to entice a talented coach. Dino is a good man, good representative of our school and somewhat innovative.

The defense is risk taking and generally fun to watch with some great players.

Tucker and Shrader are a blast to watch - and we are scoring 30 or more points per game.

I'll be thrilled with 6-6. And build up from that.

If he is 6-6 very few people will be calling for Dinos job.

however, I think 6-6 is the absolute bare minimum for Dino and I’ve been saying it since last season.

 

[721Comstock]

Going for 2 is not a bad call at all. But as you said, you need to have the play call ready to go. Know it in advance. No hesitation. No doubts. One you have run in practice successfully and are pretty certain it will work and team knows you will pull out in that situation.

What happened was a really bad look. Someone messed up. I actually don't think it was Dino. It was an assistant who messed up. But the HC is responsible. Goes with territory

THIS, 144%.

I mean, maybe they were surprised we scored so quickly on that big pass play and run by Tucker.

BUT - you hold up 2 fingers, keep the O on the field, and call the play in ASAP!!!!!
Try to catch the D off-balance, which gives your favorite 2-pt play a higher chance of success.

I mean, isn't it Football 101 to have practiced stuff like your 2-minute drill, 1-minute drill, 2-point conversions, and other specialty plays, so you can just dial it up and run it when the need arises??

 

[Sudano]

I may be alone but I'm still on the Dino train. We have been a sucky team for a very long time. It's hard to get the suck out. The improvement from last year to this is not just 2 wins. The team is genuinely better. If it weren't for penalties (called and not called), a great punter and a really bad prevent defense, we'd be 5-1. I would not be surprised to get to 7-5 or even 8-4. But even if this team doesn't win every game, I will still like Dino Babers. He represents the university well. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised the rest of the year.

The recognition of reality is now called anti-bandwagoner. Wow, the English language can be twisted into anything. I refuse to let you tell me that that I am not watching what I know I am.

 

[BKCuse]

Who did he have who was better than TD in 2019 or 2020?

I’m talking about this season. Everyone knew Devito wasn’t the answer yet Tommy started the first 2 games of this season incl a loss to Rutgers in which we only managed 7 points
If Dino gave the keys to Garrett week 1 then we waste zero time getting Shrader up to speed running the offense.
If that were the case I think we beat Rutgers and have a pretty good chance to be 6-0 right now because the offense would be further along than it currently is under GS

 

[All4SU]

I’m talking about this season. Everyone knew Devito wasn’t the answer yet Tommy started the first 2 games of this season incl a loss to Rutgers in which we only managed 7 points
If Dino gave the keys to Garrett week 1 then we waste zero time getting Shrader up to speed running the offense.
If that were the case I think we beat Rutgers and have a pretty good chance to be 6-0 right now because the offense would be further along than it currently is under GS

I didn’t know it. Lots of people didn’t know it. Maybe Shrader wasn’t ready yet. I disagree with your entire premise.

 

[Evan Miller]

THIS, 144%.

I mean, maybe they were surprised we scored so quickly on that big pass play and run by Tucker.

BUT - you hold up 2 fingers, keep the O on the field, and call the play in ASAP!!!!!
Try to catch the D off-balance, which gives your favorite 2-pt play a higher chance of success.

I mean, isn't it Football 101 to have practiced stuff like your 2-minute drill, 1-minute drill, 2-point conversions, and other specialty plays, so you can just dial it up and run it when the need arises??

It is something most teams do in the practice prior to game. The plays are really already drawn up and fixed to go.. 4th down stuff. Goal line stuff...2 point stuff..it is all covered in this practice and drilled into memory ..there should be no hesitation at all whatsoever. When 2 fingers go up to signal we are going for 2 point conversion, everyone should know call already. There is no mystery. Just go!

 

[orangecuse]

I may be alone but I'm still on the Dino train. We have been a sucky team for a very long time. It's hard to get the suck out. The improvement from last year to this is not just 2 wins. The team is genuinely better. If it weren't for penalties (called and not called), a great punter and a really bad prevent defense, we'd be 5-1. I would not be surprised to get to 7-5 or even 8-4. But even if this team doesn't win every game, I will still like Dino Babers. He represents the university well. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised the rest of the year.

Ah, the 'ol "if" deal. Interesting how this type of rationalization/train of thought seemingly always views it myopically or one-sided. Complete disregard for the games won, that just as easily could've been a loss. Say, "if" Hugh Freeze kicks the chip shot FG in the 4Q in the Liberty game and they take a 3 point lead, etc., etc...

Yes, it sure is difficult to get the "suck out." However, one thing is absolute, it's certainly more difficult to attain success (or at least consistently) if the highest the bar is ever set is mediocrity.

 

[JRHEETER]

I didn’t know it. Lots of people didn’t know it. Maybe Shrader wasn’t ready yet. I disagree with your entire premise.

Ehhhh not really…

Everyone that had close on eyes on practice was saying that GS should be the starter and that he would be by the time ACC play started…

I mean maybe he wasn’t ready yet but idk…

 

[bevosu]

Post Standard---maybe they misquoted him. (Subscriber article)​

Babers defends his in-game coaching: I’m fine with every decision I made​

 

[All4SU]

Ehhhh not really…

Everyone that had close on eyes on practice was saying that GS should be the starter and that he would be by the time ACC play started…

I mean maybe he wasn’t ready yet but idk…

I think most of that sentiment was from people that simply want TD replaced, with nothing to go on but rumor.

 

[BKCuse]

I didn’t know it. Lots of people didn’t know it. Maybe Shrader wasn’t ready yet. I disagree with your entire premise.

It’s true some of you Devito fans didn’t know it but the rest of us knew full well he wasn’t the answer. We knew it was time to hand the keys to the dynamic dual threat transfer with SEC wins under his belt.
In the end we were proven right.
I hope you don’t hold a grudge bc Shrader is making Cuse FB exciting again. He brings a spark we haven’t had since 2 left

 

[kingtidge]

The issue is, and why I’m out on him currently, is that he doesn’t think he has made any mistakes.

He literally thinks that at FSU and against Wake he coached a flawless game. We can all see that he didn’t.

Just accept that you made some mistakes and improve. Instead he doubles down and says he wouldn’t change any decision he made in the future and that he thinks he’s one of the better coaches in clock management.

We can clearly see he isn’t and that’s what frustrates me…I’m okay with him saying “I’m going to work on it” but he hasn’t and won’t say it

This.

Admit glaring issues and at least say you are going to work on them.

The worst thing he can do is deny all these game management problems... It means we are destined for rinse and repeat on this, over and over.

That's simply not acceptable.

 

[All4SU]

It’s true some of you Devito fans didn’t know it but the rest of us knew full well he wasn’t the answer. We knew it was time to hand the keys to the dynamic dual threat transfer with SEC wins under his belt.
In the end we were proven right.
I hope you don’t hold a grudge bc Shrader is making Cuse FB exciting again. He brings a spark we haven’t had since 2 left

Seriously? Okay, regardless. Put me in the camp of not caring who the QB is. Play the guy that gave us the best chance to win. Which is of course what the coaches were doing too. And they even planned to play both to help sort it out. Which is exactly what happened.

 

[CousCuse]

Seriously? Okay, regardless. Put me in the camp of not caring who the QB is. Play the guy that gave us the best chance to win. Which is of course what the coaches were doing too. And they even planned to play both to help sort it out. Which is exactly what happened.

By the time a guy is 60 years old and trained horses his whole life, he either knows horseflesh or he don't.

 

[RandomGuy]

Ehhhh not really…

Everyone that had close on eyes on practice was saying that GS should be the starter and that he would be by the time ACC play started…

I mean maybe he wasn’t ready yet but idk…

Except for Dino Babers, and those at practice. He publicly stated one had the edge, and that was Devito.

Obviously, when it all breaks down, Shrader's legs have made a difference.

 

[Evan Miller]

Except for Dino Babers, and those at practice. He publicly stated one had the edge, and that was Devito.

Obviously, when it all breaks down, Shrader's legs have made a difference.

He moves the chains, helps lighten up pass rush with running threat and also takes pressure off Tucker...2nd running threat which is big. Harder to stack box on Tucker as QB can go RPO. You can control clock. Rest D. Lots of ancillary benefits to Schrader that filter to entire team...even the D with time of possession. That matters

Does Schrader give you best chance to win. Obviously. Why did it take this long? Loyalty. To TD. Not uncommon at all. Look at Dino loyalty to Cavanaugh. Misguided? Certainly. You have to be like Saban, Belichick, Parcells, Coughlin...these 4 guys do have loyalty...but only to a point. Once you can't do your job effectively or as well as they demand, you are gone. Finished. It is not personal. But they demand you do your job. Would Cavanaugh have lasted that long with Saban, Coughlin, etc?? Are you kidding me?