I have come to conclusion we aren't making a HC change this year

[PhatOrange]

dont worry there will be a new list of bandwagon coaches next year.

if the plug is pulled this year though, i'm sure turner gill will be available and we know al golden is.

 

[Alsacs]

I can't wait for all the pom poms when we win 6 games next year and make a bowl.

The coaching is never going to be plus with this staff. I give Lester a lot of credit for bringing in a college offense, but Millhouse has shown really well how the express back in D3 and D1 football shouldn't be used the same.

Under SS our success will be predicated on the talent doing well. As I honestly have no faith this HC will ever outcoach a team with more talent. We will need our talent to overcome the opponents and make plays. Marrone couldn't recruit well in college but he prepared good gameplans and had the team prepared. I don't think SS has done as well but has recruited better.

I have no confidence we will ever be consistently good under this coach. We are just praying for a few good years.

 

[TheCusian]

The coaching is never going to be plus with this staff. I give Lester a lot of credit for bringing in a college offense, but Millhouse has shown really well how the express back in D3 and D1 football shouldn't be used the same. Under SS our success will be predicated on the talent doing well. As I honestly have no faith this HC will ever outcoach a team with more talent. We will need our talent to overcome the opponents and make plays. Marrone couldn't recruit well in college but he prepared good gameplans and had the team prepared. I don't think SS has done as well but has recruited better. I have no confidence we will ever be consistently good under this coach. We are just praying for a few good years.

It's been used differently the past two games. Lester also knows stats and is not too proud to change things up. Credit him there too.

We know you gave up on this staff a long time ago. I'm still in the "our defense has been consistent enough - if only our offense was better - we could win consistently" camp. That's still very much in play. These kids figure it out soon.

Also weirdly - you're convinced that Marrone could win consistently, but he didn't really show that in his time here. Better than Robinson? Check. Better than Shafer? So far.

 

[rrlbees]

The coaching is never going to be plus with this staff. I give Lester a lot of credit for bringing in a college offense, but Millhouse has shown really well how the express back in D3 and D1 football shouldn't be used the same. Under SS our success will be predicated on the talent doing well. As I honestly have no faith this HC will ever outcoach a team with more talent. We will need our talent to overcome the opponents and make plays. Marrone couldn't recruit well in college but he prepared good gameplans and had the team prepared. I don't think SS has done as well but has recruited better. I have no confidence we will ever be consistently good under this coach. We are just praying for a few good years.

I'm not ready to say that. There's been growing pains and some questionable decisions but the LSU game and Pitt I was very happy with the game plan and both have more talent. Even UVa probably has more overall talent. We're close.

 

[TheCusian]

The coaching is never going to be plus with this staff. I give Lester a lot of credit for bringing in a college offense, but Millhouse has shown really well how the express back in D3 and D1 football shouldn't be used the same. Under SS our success will be predicated on the talent doing well. As I honestly have no faith this HC will ever outcoach a team with more talent. We will need our talent to overcome the opponents and make plays. Marrone couldn't recruit well in college but he prepared good gameplans and had the team prepared. I don't think SS has done as well but has recruited better. I have no confidence we will ever be consistently good under this coach. We are just praying for a few good years.

Also: while we didn't win, I've felt like our offensive staff out coached the UVa coaches in OT. They scored pretty easily in the OT twice. The Pitt defense looked lost in the first half. Our two minute drill is really good. The TD drive at the end of the second was text book.

So if the defense has been good/decent for the 6 prior years and that coach is still here... And the offense side of things is getting a lot better rather quickly ... Are you just talking about in game decisions?

 

[PhatOrange]

The coaching is never going to be plus with this staff. I give Lester a lot of credit for bringing in a college offense, but Millhouse has shown really well how the express back in D3 and D1 football shouldn't be used the same.

Under SS our success will be predicated on the talent doing well. As I honestly have no faith this HC will ever outcoach a team with more talent. We will need our talent to overcome the opponents and make plays. Marrone couldn't recruit well in college but he prepared good gameplans and had the team prepared. I don't think SS has done as well but has recruited better.

I have no confidence we will ever be consistently good under this coach. We are just praying for a few good years.

nutty. Urban Meyer still needs his kids to make plays. He's not going to win unless they do.

Syracuse has had some good game plans this season.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm not ready to say that. There's been growing pains and some questionable decisions but the LSU game and Pitt I was very happy with the game plan and both have more talent. Even UVa probably has more overall talent. We're close.

We played loose in the LSU game but our game plan and coaching wasn't great. Pitt was without their QB and star RB who are out of the season. That was probably the best game we played all year and still we lost when we were at home. Pitt's talent w/o Conner and their QB is on par with our talent.

UVA has more talent but they have the worst coaching in the ACC. We didn't out game plan them. UVA was bad while we shot ourselves in the foot and then the second our D didn't stop them.

SS is not a going to outcoach the opponent. We are going to win because the talent makes plays and that is why our margin for error is slim. You can disagree which is fine as I am not always right but SS has lost me every believing he can outcoach equal or more talented teams.

 

[Alsacs]

nutty. Urban Meyer still needs his kids to make plays. He's not going to win unless they do.

Syracuse has had some good game plans this season.

When you are recruiting the players Meyer has that bails out coaching. Who the heck said the kids don't need to make plays.
Go watch Ohio State vs. Alabama last year. Alabama had better talent slightly. The Ohio State coaching game plan exploited Sims weaknesses. Meyer's staff outcoached Alabama's that game.

Of course Ohio State had top 5 talent but that staff coached that team up. I don't see that with SS. We have beaten 2 good teams in 3 years under SS 2013- BC and Minnesota.

Losing to all 3 USF, UVA, Pitt was not predicted by anybody on this board. Who does that fall on? We were healthy in all 3 games.

 

[skytop44]

If Coyle thinks he needs to make a change then I have no issue with it. Let's let the season play out. If we lose out, I have no expectation that Shafer will be back. Unless Coyle is extremely patient but he doesn't seem like that kind of guy that will just sit around and be mediocre so I just don't see it. Let's just let the season play out. If we keep losing, we will have our answer in 5 weeks either way.

 

[rrlbees]

We played lose in the LSU game but our game plan and coaching wasn't great. Pitt was with their QB and star RB who are out of the season. That was probably the best game we played all year and still we lost when we were at home. Pitt's talent w/o Conner and their QB is on par with our talent. UVA has more talent but they have the worst coaching in the ACC. We didn't out game plan them. UVA was bad while we shot ourselves in the foot and then the second our D didn't stop them. SS is not a going to outcoach the opponent. We are going to win because the talent makes plays and that is why our margin for error is slim. You can disagree which is fine as I am not always right but SS has lost me every believing he can outcoach equal or more talented teams.

You didn't convince we. Not sure how anyone can say so definitively that he is not going to out coach the opponent. He's certainly shown he can and that's why we've had close games against better talent. Just need to clean some things up. We're close.

 

[PhatOrange]

When you are recruiting the players Meyer has that bails out coaching. Who the heck said the kids don't need to make plays.
Go watch Ohio State vs. Alabama last year. Alabama had better talent slightly. The Ohio State coaching game plan exploited Sims weaknesses. Meyer's staff outcoached Alabama's that game.

Of course Ohio State had top 5 talent but that staff coached that team up. I don't see that with SS. We have beaten 2 good teams in 3 years under SS 2013- BC and Minnesota.

Losing to all 3 USF, UVA, Pitt was not predicted by anybody on this board. Who does that fall on? We were healthy in all 3 games.

Ohio state looked like the more talented team to me against Alabama. No matter what would Meyer do with our current roster? 5-2, 4-3, same? It's obviously impossible to predict but you can only x and o so much, players have to make plays. Shafer isn't being out coached IMO. It's been pretty even.

I watched osu dismantle Rutgers and the talent discrepancy was glaring. They had DBS in caroos pocket all game man on man and the closing speed was unbelievable from DBS and linebackers. You can also see his players on both sides of the ball are very well coached but that's what a huge coaching budget gets you. It's not just the HC it's the assistants.

 

[Alsacs]

You didn't convince we. Not sure how anyone can say so definitively that he is not going to out coach the opponent. He's certainly shown he can and that's why we've had close games against better talent. Just need to clean some things up. We're close.

Who has he outcoached? We are close to what? This year's schedule thus far has been Charmin soft thus far and we are 3-4. We have played 2 top 50 opponents in Sagarin rankings.
We are ranked 81st.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

#220 Rhode Island-W
#94 Wake Forest- W
#82 Central Michigan- W
#8 LSU-L
#76 USF-L
#79Virginia-L
#33 Pitt-L

 

[Millhouse]

When you are recruiting the players Meyer has that bails out coaching. Who the heck said the kids don't need to make plays.
Go watch Ohio State vs. Alabama last year. Alabama had better talent slightly. The Ohio State coaching game plan exploited Sims weaknesses. Meyer's staff outcoached Alabama's that game.

Of course Ohio State had top 5 talent but that staff coached that team up. I don't see that with SS. We have beaten 2 good teams in 3 years under SS 2013- BC and Minnesota.

Losing to all 3 USF, UVA, Pitt was not predicted by anybody on this board. Who does that fall on? We were healthy in all 3 games.

alabama has that perfect offense for a defense to practice against but when they go up against a really talented team that runs a college offense, they look human. thank god for that. there was a stretch where it was totally hopeless to try to score against them. their overall numbers are still amazing but a couple times a year now, they make it interesting

 

[kcsu]

You didn't convince we. Not sure how anyone can say so definitively that he is not going to out coach the opponent. He's certainly shown he can and that's why we've had close games against better talent. Just need to clean some things up. We're close.

As to out coaching the opponent Shafer has done it many times at Syracuse. WVU, LV, Missu, lots of times. He is a D coach and a dam good one i would say top 10 in D1 on the D side. He made a huge mistake with Mcdonald fixed it with Lester who many didnt like but i really did and you can see the improvement. Recruiting is solid, D is young but im never going to be worried about that side of the fence and it is obvious that Lester knows what he is doing.

One more year. BUT next year if he doesnt improve and i mean a solid 7 wins i would seriously consider a change.

 

[AAM62]

Whatever happens, they need to open up the budget some for the entire staff.

 

[skytop44]

You didn't convince we. Not sure how anyone can say so definitively that he is not going to out coach the opponent. He's certainly shown he can and that's why we've had close games against better talent. Just need to clean some things up. We're close.

When you say close, what do you mean?

 

[rrlbees]

Who has he outcoached? We are close to what? This year's schedule thus far has been Charmin soft thus far and we are 3-4. We have played 2 top 50 opponents in Sagarin rankings. We are ranked 81st. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/ #220 Rhode Island-W #94 Wake Forest- W #82 Central Michigan- W #8 LSU-L #76 USF-L #79Virginia-L #33 Pitt-L

We were underdogs in each loss. We played a few more talented teams close. Coaching plays a role in that.

 

[Alsacs]

When you say close, what do you mean?

IMO, I don't speak for that guy but I take it the young talent will mature. He may feel differently so I don't speak for him. If we are relying on young talent maturing that isn't coaching it is talent getting experience.

 

[rrlbees]

When you say close, what do you mean?

Our games against teams with more talent are close and we've had the chance to win a couple. Some bad breaks and in some cases sheer youth has made getting the win tougher. We're close to winning those games against more talented teams as the players and coaches get more experience and clean some things up. Even the talent gap is getting closer as we trend up.

 

[Alsacs]

We were underdogs in each loss. We played a few more talented teams close. Coaching plays a role in that.

Unless we are playing Florida State or Clemson close I don't care about it being close.
LSU was a perfect storm. Their QB sucked and the penalties they committed allowed us to stay close. That game was competitive which was good but sorry we if we are happy for that in year 3 wow Syracuse football has fallen.

We have gone backwards. However because we are underdogs which isn't shocking and we played Pitt and LSU close the coaching is getting better. Explain the USF game? Does coaching take blame for that?

 

[TheCusian]

We played loose in the LSU game but our game plan and coaching wasn't great. Pitt was without their QB and star RB who are out of the season. That was probably the best game we played all year and still we lost when we were at home. Pitt's talent w/o Conner and their QB is on par with our talent. UVA has more talent but they have the worst coaching in the ACC. We didn't out game plan them. UVA was bad while we shot ourselves in the foot and then the second our D didn't stop them. SS is not a going to outcoach the opponent. We are going to win because the talent makes plays and that is why our margin for error is slim. You can disagree which is fine as I am not always right but SS has lost me every believing he can outcoach equal or more talented teams.

Coaching vs LSU was very good.

Pitt demoted their QB in favor of Peterman and it was the right move. He's 3rd in the ACC in efficiency.

We outplayed UVa for 3Q. Coaching and play on the field. Phantom fumble for TD was a fluke.

I've said this before - if 3/4 Marrone years the defense was much better than the O and it was again in 2013 and 2014... Isn't that half of the coaching problem solved? And after 7 games with Lester even you said they've shown you something. So I can only assume you don't like pooch kicks and time management?!? This staff as it's currently constructed is showing great promise. Ding SS for McDonald - but outside of that - the coaching has been adequate.

 

[TheCusian]

Unless we are playing Florida State or Clemson close I don't care about it being close. LSU was a perfect storm. Their QB sucked and the penalties they committed allowed us to stay close. That game was competitive which was good but sorry we if we are happy for that in year 3 wow Syracuse football has fallen. We have gone backwards. However because we are underdogs which isn't shocking and we played Pitt and LSU close the coaching is getting better. Explain the USF game? Does coaching take blame for that?

So against LSU it was THEM, not coaching.
But USF it was US and coaching was to blame entirely?

Can you see your anti-Shafer bias? It's like you have your shirt tucked into your underwear and haven't noticed.

 

[MSOrange]

Can you see your anti-Shafer bias? It's like you have your shirt tucked into your underwear and haven't noticed.

What's wrong with that? Is that look not in style anymore?

 

[PAcuse]

What's wrong with that? Is that look not in style anymore?

Seems to be at an all time high right now couchburn