I hope this Ennis and Grant to NBA talk is done.

[Jasoncuse]

Both will be NBA players eventually. But Grant, is he a 3 or a 4? Doesn't have strength, size, or post moves for a 4. Doesn't have the outside game for a 3. Ennis is a decent PG, but where is the speed and size. IMO both could squeeze into the 1st round. But JB has put a few lottery picks in the league recently. He also coaches the best of the best every 4 years. I think he can provide some insight, and actually did recently.

Grant isn't an NBA player. He doesn't have the offensive arsenal to actually succeed with his undersized frame. There are dozens of kids that are 6'6"-6'9" with better offensive games than JG. And he's not exactly that much more athletic than other kids that will be available. If he develops a jump shot and the ability to score off the dribble, he could be a top 10 pick next year. hope he stick around.

 

[thebigeast44]

It won't matter . Boeheim will base everything on the combine and be like " oh no you have to go you will be lottery" eg Flynn . I will not spend another dime on Syracuse basketball tickets until he retires. I lost all respect tonight .

One of the more ridiculous posts of the year IMHO. JB has always been honest with his players. And believe me, we don't need fans like you in the Dome - so please save your money.

 

[moqui]

Interesting comment about Ennis. Not a great shooter or finisher. What about him screams NBA to you?

And just to be clear, with all the BS flying all over the board, there is no sarcasm in this question.

I am very interested as to why you think this.

he is an exceptional, steady ball handler, and a sharp passer with good court vision. Almost every team in the NBA has 3 point guards, and I think Ennis right now is better than most of those 3rd guys and several of the 2nds. He might never be a star, but he is solid and dependable. Does that make him a lottery pick? Why not - late lottery is always a crap shoot anyway. You've got a solid guy who maybe becomes more than that - that's better than a lot of lottery picks have been through the years.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

he is an exceptional, steady ball handler, and a sharp passer with good court vision. Almost every team in the NBA has 3 point guards, and I think Ennis right now is better than most of those 3rd guys and several of the 2nds. He might never be a star, but he is solid and dependable. Does that make him a lottery pick? Why not - late lottery is always a crap shoot anyway. You've got a solid guy who maybe becomes more than that - that's better than a lot of lottery picks have been through the years.

Thanks.

 

[SUFan44]

he is an exceptional, steady ball handler, and a sharp passer with good court vision. Almost every team in the NBA has 3 point guards, and I think Ennis right now is better than most of those 3rd guys and several of the 2nds. He might never be a star, but he is solid and dependable. Does that make him a lottery pick? Why not - late lottery is always a crap shoot anyway. You've got a solid guy who maybe becomes more than that - that's better than a lot of lottery picks have been through the years.

The NBA is about the second contract, unless you're a Top 5 pick. Ennis isn't ready yet. His earning potential would be well advised to stay another year, play 35+ minutes a game and lead the team to a Final Four next year with McCullough, Roberson, Christmas, Coleman, Joseph, Gbinije, Grant (?). Rather than sitting on the bench and playing sparingly in the NBA, or going to the D-League and making $0/hour.

 

[Alsacs]

Ennis is pretty close to a finished product he can improve his jump shot, but he isn't coming back for that. He is coming back because he wants to stay in college. I have changed my opinion I think Ennis and Grant are both gone. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Madbiker]

Grant will be back. Ennis is probably gone.

 

[moqui]

The NBA is about the second contract, unless you're a Top 5 pick. Ennis isn't ready yet. His earning potential would be well advised to stay another year, play 35+ minutes a game and lead the team to a Final Four next year with McCullough, Roberson, Christmas, Coleman, Joseph, Gbinije, Grant (?). Rather than sitting on the bench and playing sparingly in the NBA, or going to the D-League and making $0/hour.

Barring injury, he'll play at least 10 years in the Association. Another year in college ball does him no good at all; it only costs him a year of lost wages.

 

[SUFan44]

Barring injury, he'll play at least 10 years in the Association. Another year in college ball does him no good at all.

NBA scout much? I think you're probably wrong.

 

[anomander]

This thread is pretty funny. I can't tell if people are mad at Grant and Ennis for yesterday's game, or because they are trying to talk themselves into thinking they are going to stay? Everyone makes it seem like they are some bums. Take a second to look at this list, and I dare you to name me 3 players that are ready to enter the NBA Draft.

Andrew Wiggins - did you see today's game? I am sure KU fans are trying to talk themselves into the same thing
Jabari Parker - ok he is probably ready
Joel Embiid - Not even close
Dante Exum - what competition has he shown he can play against?
Julius Randle - he is ready, but not like he can't work on things
Marcus Smart - headcase turnover waiting to happen
Aaron Gordon - see jerami grant
Noah Vonleh - what position does he play?
Gary Harris - blah
Dough McDermott - there's a reason he has played 7 years of cbb
Rodney Hood - i really like his game
Zach Lavine - i will end with him

And this is just the lottery. Go ahead tell me which one of these kids doesn't need another year? I'll be waiting

 

[Antiprodigy]

This thread is pretty funny. I can't tell if people are mad at Grant and Ennis for yesterday's game, or because they are trying to talk themselves into thinking they are going to stay? Everyone makes it seem like they are some bums. Take a second to look at this list, and I dare you to name me 3 players that are ready to enter the NBA Draft.

Andrew Wiggins - did you see today's game? I am sure KU fans are trying to talk themselves into the same thing
Jabari Parker - ok he is probably ready
Joel Embiid - Not even close
Dante Exum - what competition has he shown he can play against?
Julius Randle - he is ready, but not like he can't work on things
Marcus Smart - headcase turnover waiting to happen
Aaron Gordon - see jerami grant
Noah Vonleh - what position does he play?
Gary Harris - blah
Dough McDermott - there's a reason he has played 7 years of cbb
Rodney Hood - i really like his game
Zach Lavine - i will end with him

And this is just the lottery. Go ahead tell me which one of these kids doesn't need another year? I'll be waiting

It's the same thing every year. People will make all kinds of posts, giving all kinds of reasons players should stay. The same was done for Flynn, Greene, Dion & MCW. I seem to even remember a few people saying these sort of things about Melo.

First there is Anger, then denial. Remember, acceptance doesn't occur until the very end. Let them have their fun.

 

[rrlbees]

This thread is pretty funny. I can't tell if people are mad at Grant and Ennis for yesterday's game, or because they are trying to talk themselves into thinking they are going to stay? Everyone makes it seem like they are some bums. Take a second to look at this list, and I dare you to name me 3 players that are ready to enter the NBA Draft. Andrew Wiggins - did you see today's game? I am sure KU fans are trying to talk themselves into the same thing Jabari Parker - ok he is probably ready Joel Embiid - Not even close Dante Exum - what competition has he shown he can play against? Julius Randle - he is ready, but not like he can't work on things Marcus Smart - headcase turnover waiting to happen Aaron Gordon - see jerami grant Noah Vonleh - what position does he play? Gary Harris - blah Dough McDermott - there's a reason he has played 7 years of cbb Rodney Hood - i really like his game Zach Lavine - i will end with him And this is just the lottery. Go ahead tell me which one of these kids doesn't need another year? I'll be waiting

Since the NBA, for the most part, drafts based upon potential, you don't have to be ready.

 

[wallacecuse]

Since the NBA, for the most part, drafts based upon potential, you don't have to be ready.

That is the common theme, but it is really more applicable to Euros than Americans - draft a Euro, let him develop, bring him over in 3 years. Spurs have made a living doing this. With Americans you need more instant gratification, because D leaguers are free agents.

 

[thebigeast44]

One thing that is rarely brought up in these discussions is the college experience. Going to college at that age is a priceless experience. Sure you can go back to college in your 30's but it's not the same. College for many is not just to prepare you for a job but to prepare you for life - and to have a hell of a great time and make life long friends. I wouldn't trade my college years for anything.

In today's world, Derrick Coleman would have left for the NBA right after pulling down 19 rebounds in the national championship game. He then would have missed the 3 great years he had after that. I doubt he has ever regretted those additional 3 years.

I don't blame any of these kids for leaving early and taking the money. But I do wonder if at the end of their life, if the extra money they made will be worth the experience they could have had in the remainder of their college years. For some it will be and for others not. I wish them all the best.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Wonder how different if at all, it would have made in our season if Jerami didn't have mono during the summer and if Roberson was able to play in Canada etc.

 

[wallacecuse]

he is an exceptional, steady ball handler, and a sharp passer with good court vision. Almost every team in the NBA has 3 point guards, and I think Ennis right now is better than most of those 3rd guys and several of the 2nds. He might never be a star, but he is solid and dependable. Does that make him a lottery pick? Why not - late lottery is always a crap shoot anyway. You've got a solid guy who maybe becomes more than that - that's better than a lot of lottery picks have been through the years.

My only problem with this is that Ennis does not fit the mold of the 1 and done pg. Those guys are franchise players, starters on Day 1. Irving, Rose, Wall, were all no.1 picks, not 2nd stringers. Even Paul and Westbrook stayed 2 years. Does Ennis really want to be Kabongo?

 

[longtimefan]

It's time for him to go , and I've never ever said that before.

Maybe you're just getting dumber.

 

[longtimefan]

He used this game to prove a point to Ennis and Grant and it's bullshitt . He could've easily trapped on the wings to get this game sped up and he didn't. He tipped us off from the zags blog article yesterday . His point was proven at the expense of a win.

Some posters contend that he ought to lose the occasional game in order to better build for the future.

 

[SmilinBob]

Whatever is best for Ennis and Grant is what I'm rooting for. I just hope the two get good information and don't let emotion decide what they do as both have given this fan some wonderful memories and selfishly more to come at Syracuse but it's their lives and I'm sure they'll be fine with whatever decision they make.

 

[TheLoonie]

'Ready' has nothing to do with anything anymore. For better or for worse, the NBA draft is the futures market now.

I'm not sure that a player needs to stay in college to get better these days. In college, there is limited practice time and all sorts of other obligations. In the NBA, players can just devote themselves to basketball 100%. Players can build strength up there just as much, if not better, then in college. And since the NBA drafts on nothing but potential, all staying in college does is give you more opportunity to have your flaws exposed. Sure, you might get better with another year in college, but there's no guarantee and a whole lot of risk.

 

[MonsterGame]

Talk about your emotion-based threads. If SU had just hit 1 of those 10 3-pters they took against Dayton, this thread wouldn't exist.

I've posted this multiple times before, the two phrases that are completely meaningless when discussing whether a player leaves or stays are, "He's not ready." and "He'll never stick in the NBA." "He's not ready" is one's opinion and because of that, irrelevant. "He'll never stick in the NBA is also one's opinion and also irrelevant, but more than that, even if true, would you rather have the NBA money for a few years than never having it? And after that, over-seas money is also possible for some more years. You guys do realize that people do have to earn money to live? Or did all of you inherit a boat load and don't ever think along those lines?

Someone always responds, yes, but it's about doing the right thing to maximize the length of your NBA career. Hogwash. No one really knows how long their NBA career is going to be when they make the leap. Not Wes Johnson, not Dion, not MCW, not Lebron, not Derrick Rose (who may never be truly healthy again), not Fab Melo, not Michael Olowokandi. Not anyone. One goes to the NBA because the NBA wants them and they are ready to go. From then on, it's up to the player (ability, toughness, work ethic) and to some extent, their situation as to how long they stick.

Ennis looks like a mini-me version of Jason Kidd. Not as tall or flashy a passer, but still excellent at running the offensive and distributing the basketball. Kidd wasn't a very good shooter either when he entered the NBA. On the right team, Ennis could excel right away in the NBA. He is going to need a couple very good scorers/shooters around him though.

Grant does have elite athleticism for his size, but apart from his spin move, he doesn't have much in his offensive arsenal at the moment. Needs the stop and pop jump shot badly in his game and a bit more beef in his frame. Could he work on that at the next level, sure he could, and it's not about how much run he gets in games as to whether he could work on it or not. To me, it is more about where he will be drafted this year versus where he might get drafted next year if he improves his jump shot a bit. Again, that is banking on one's self to improve. You have to believe that you will improve in order for it to be worthwhile to stay. (Marcus Smart anyone? He would have been drafted about the sixth spot last year. This year, who knows, maybe 10th or worse? Lost year of revenue and a lower draft spot. Well done Marcus. Jared Sullinger made a similar mistake staying for his sophomore year. Someone please explain how Sullinger staying for his sophomore year benefited him? He got to enjoy the college experience for an additional year? If so, then why didn't he stay for his junior and senior years?)

 

[jec1521]

I don't think either of them leave. Not because I selfishly want them to stay (although I do) but because I don't see NBA teams picking them in the lottery. Even if they are told they will go in the lottery, they can very easily slip to the late 1st/early 2nd round, and in that case, they would be better off waiting until next year in a weaker class.

 

[TheCusian]

Too many people upset that they lost in this thread. The draft is never about how good a guy is today. It's about how good he might become in the NBA system.

Both Grant and Ennis don't have much wrong with their shot. It's MCW all over again. Players, if they are of high character and work hard - can become great shooters in the NBA (if their form is okay - no hitches, etc.). Shooting is way down the list.

If you are wanting a pass first kid who is smart and knows how to run a team - Ennis is your lottery pick.

If you are intrigued by Grants athleticism, rebounding, and potential - Grant is your pick in the mid-late 1st.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think they both stay. I don't think either of them get picked in the lottery, which leads me to believe they will come back, because if your not in the top ten you really can go anywere from 15 to 40.

 

[SBU72]

The problem with the draft is that there is no guarantee. Look at the list above and see if TE is really a lottery pick. Even if he is told so, there is no guarantee he'll get picked and unless he goes without an agent, there is no going back. Grant looks to be even a later pick. another year could get him in the lottery, so the odds would appear better that he returns.