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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 3622042, member: 363"] It's still a pretty strange years regardless of how you look at it, anything but normal. Not saying the product hasn't stunk but there are a few reasons as well. It counts and yes looks bad for those in charge but far from standard operating procedure. I can see where people look at it a bit differently as opposed to pounding chest "IT COUNTS!!!!" Next year will tell the FULL STORY and those who want Dino fired may get their wish it it stays this bad for sure. Hoping for a big turn around next year. Hate to start the crazy cycle again. [/QUOTE]