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[SUMBA]

Wisconsin is not above either Duke or UVA until they win today. They have advanced no further in their tournament yet than Duke or UVA did. Also, Duke and UVA played top 20 teams Wisconsin plays an unranked bubble team Purdue and lost their only game agains the only other top 15 team in conference. Wisconsin lost at Rutgers and their best nonconference wins are @Cal, Oklahoma. Wisconsin passes the eye test, but their resume is very thin.
Wisconsin lost at HOME to Duke and UVA beat UMD in College Park while Wisconsin lost in College Park. Wisconsin's resume is not better than Duke's.

I agree with you on Wisconsin. However, you missed the big wins the Badgers had against Buffalo, and Boise State!

 

[jekelish]

It's possible that neither gets a 1 seed. Kentucky, Wisconsin (if they win the B1G), Arizona (if they win the Pac), and Nova (if they win the BE) all have legit claims to the 1 seed. And you know who gets the East in this scenario. couchburn

Eh, I don't think Arizona has a realistic shot at a 1-seed. I realize they're ranked #5 and only have three losses, but those are three pretty ugly losses. UNLV? Oregon State? Arizona State? Yuck. Gonzaga and Utah are far and away their most impressive wins, and I'm not sure anyone has a real idea of how good the Zags or Utes actually are.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't think it's good precedent to give one seeds to teams that don't win their regular season or conference tourney, but in the age of unbalanced scheduling it is what it is.

 

[EastCoast2]

Eh, I don't think Arizona has a realistic shot at a 1-seed. I realize they're ranked #5 and only have three losses, but those are three pretty ugly losses. UNLV? Oregon State? Arizona State? Yuck. Gonzaga and Utah are far and away their most impressive wins, and I'm not sure anyone has a real idea of how good the Zags or Utes actually are.

I don't think it happens, but I'm saying if it does happen I won't be shocked. UVA deserves a #1 no question in my mind.

 

[Calilivin28]

I don't think both will get a 1 seed, but I think UVA would get it right now over Duke. However, if its between being the 1 seed in the west paired with Arizona as a 2, or being the 2 seed in the East paired with Nova, I think both would prefer to stay in the East. I think both would beat Nova on a neutral court.

 

[jncuse]

I have not read the entire thread, but it's about the entire body of work. Of course winning conference titles (regular or tourney) will naturally improve your resume via the individual W/L's, but the titles themselves will not add to it.

I really have not spent much time on the #1 line this year. I posted last night that I was hoping Duke could fall to the #2 but I would look at it today.

Virginia or Duke?

Top 25
Virginia - 5-3 vs top 25
Duke - 6-2 vs top 25

Duke also has 4 top 25 road wins which is damn impressive (Wisconin, Virginia, UNC, Louisville) so it also is worth something. Although Virginia has wins at Maryland, VCU and UNC which is also pretty damn impressive.

Advantage - Duke

Top 50
Duke 11-3
Virignia 8-3

Now Duke does have one loss outside of the top 50 while Virignia is not. And when your separting teams with 3 or 4 losses, with similar confernece schedules. that matters as well.

Close to a draw, but Duke's extra elite win -- basically their head to head win, puts them ahead in my view. Very slight.

But Virignia may also still be a #1 seed as well.

 

[Jack Hall]

I don't think both will get a 1 seed, but I think UVA would get it right now over Duke. However, if its between being the 1 seed in the west paired with Arizona as a 2, or being the 2 seed in the East paired with Nova, I think both would prefer to stay in the East. I think both would beat Nova on a neutral court.

This is how i see it playing out, when there are too many 1 seeds, one team obviously will be booted , but they will be "booted" by being rewarded the 2 seed in the East or South region with villanova. Most teams from east coast would take it

 

[jncuse]

Let's talk Arizona and Wisconsin -- can they overtake Virginia for that final #1 seed.

Arizona has an amazing 8-0 record vs top 50 (including the requisite 4 marquee wins). They are also 17-0 against top 100 teams. The basis for a clear #1 resume ... the basis for the #1 seed overall.

Somehow they managed to lose to 3 sub 100 teams. What an odd resume. Never seen anything like it. But at the end of the day its only 3 losses. So to compare teams let's just re-allocate those losses to the top 100. How would 6-2 vs top 50 and 14-3 vs top 100 hold up vs a team like Virginia.

Arizona 6-2 top 50 ( marquee top 25 wins over Gonzaga H, San Diego St N, Utah Home and Away)
Virginia 8-3 top 5o ( wins top 25 wins at Maryland, at VCU, at UNC, at Notre Dame, Louisville)

Virginia has 4 top 25 RPI road wins. Have to give Virginia the edge in top wins. And I still had to allocate one sub 50 loss to Zona, none for Virginia.

Virginia above Arizona... this also seems to be the matchup that would be in the Los Angeles Region


Wisconsin 2-2 vs top 25. Top 25 Wins over Georgetown and Oklahoma. Just not enough. Even if they beat Maryland tomorrow I don't think its enough to overcome Virginia... especially since Virginia also beat them on the road. Wisconsin also has the bad loss at Rutgers.


The 1 seed line is tough to get into this year. Arizona and Wisconsin are typically #1 seeds. But not this year (or not as of today anyway)

Kentucky
Villanova
Duke
Virginia

Arizona
Wisconsin

A clear top 6 - 6 teams worthy of a #1 seed. Remember last year when it seemed there was only 2 or 3. Louisville, Arizona, Wichita St (with question marks)

 

[jncuse]

It was not handily, duk was down by 9 w 5 to go. And yes Anderson did play. But thats fine you are putting your faith in one or two games as opposed to who came out w the title in an 18 game season. Thats why the ncaa tourney is so great, hopefully it will become clear who the best team is

Your argument on conference record may have more merit if you are arguing that Virginia is better than Duke.

But seeding is based on resume. And the committee has made it clear that conference titles are irrelevant due to imbalanced schedules. The committee looks at 31-34 individual results. Duke has the slightly better resume based on how they have selected teams in the past.

 

[jncuse]

Why? UVA hasn't played well at all the last 2 weeks other than thumping ncstate. Their best player is a shell of himself and UVA lost their only game with Dune at home.

The eye test indicates Duke is the better team and more deserving.

Duke gets it, but eye test is irrelevant.

 

[rrlbees]

Wisconsin is not above either Duke or UVA until they win today.

In your opinion.

Those are the four 1 seeds as of today prior to any games. And btw, since there are games to play, I assume favs will win. If there are upsets then changes will be made.

 

[Alsacs]

In your opinion.

Those are the four 1 seeds as of today prior to any games.

I would love to hear the rationale for Wisconsin being a 1 seed right now before beating Purdue or Maryland/Michigan State?

Their schedule wasn't tough. They only played Maryland, Michigan State, Purdue the 2-4 seeds one time in the regular season, they lost at home to Duke, they beat Georgetown, Cal and Oklahoma in the non-conference. Their best conference wins are Iowa x2, and @ Ohio State. They are good but don't have the wins to justify right now being on the 1 line.

 

[rrlbees]

I would love to hear the rationale for Wisconsin being a 1 seed right now before beating Purdue or Maryland/Michigan State? Their schedule wasn't tough. They only played Maryland, Michigan State, Purdue the 2-4 seeds one time in the regular season, they lost at home to Duke, they beat Georgetown, Cal and Oklahoma in the non-conference. Their best conference wins are Iowa x2, and @ Ohio State. They are good but don't have the wins to justify right now being on the 1 line.

Well if the lose they won't. I assume favorites win until they don't.

 

[jncuse]

There has been some build in support for Wisconsin in the last day obviously. Palm has Wisconsin for example/

The Consensus as of today is still Duke and Virginia but its tight.

http://bracketmatrix.com/

Looking at only the 54 brackets submitted today.

Kentucky 54
Villanova 53
Duke 40
Virginia 35
Wisconsin 32
Arizona 4

I know it doesn't add perfectly so my count is off by 1 or 2.

If Wisconsin knocks off Maryland the conensus will swing towards them. I'm still not convinced that I will take Wisconsin however even if they win. I would be more compelled to take Arizona over them as well if they win the Pac-12.

 

[longtimefan]

If they win today they should be imo

Edit, most especially when you consider what they lost w Alexander suspension and losing Ellis for a few games

Kansas' problem is that they may not have Alexander going forward.

 

[JoeSU]

Other than the prestige, I don't see all that much difference between a 1 and 2 seed.

 

[Alsacs]

Other than the prestige, I don't see all that much difference between a 1 and 2 seed.

1 seeds get 16 seeds and no 16 seed has ever beaten 1 seed. 15 seeds have beaten 2 seeds. Your basically getting a first round bye.

Give 16 seeds over 15 seeds. Teams like Northeastern could be your 15 seed opponent I would rather play Albany or SWAC/MEAC champion over decent 15 seeds.

 

[Briancuse]

Both Duke and Uva have earned one seeds, it should come down to nova and wisc.