If jb did fall from this, Cantor also has to go

[dash-30-dash]

first, on the day when she took over, the school was ranked 40th in U.S. News and world report. We are ranked 62 now. She fired our football coach over the same type of decline. Second, the Fine mess happened on her watch. Whatever I can do to remove her, I will do.

 

[Noexcuse]

first, on the day when she took over, the school was ranked 40th in U.S. News and world report. We are ranked 62 now. She fired our football coach over the same type of decline. Second, the Fine mess happened on her watch. Whatever I can do to remove her, I will do.

Who knows, she may be on the clock too. For the first thing you mention and for this as well.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think they all go after this all shakes out. Gross as well. It will be just too much to overcome, quickest way to start the healing process is with a whole new team. You don't around, you cut and cut deep. If people under your watch up really bad eventually it is your ass as well. This is why people make the big bucks and our elevated to leadership positions. Woulda, coulda, shoulda won't cut it, it will be gutted

I think this is what happens, seen it too many times. People talk about who is safe, who isn't eventually none of them are because unless it's your business they all have people to answer to who will eventually have to react and will be left no other choice

 

[BonaCuse]

I dont have a horse in the race either way, but SU was an AAU member when she took over as well.

 

[AZOrange]

first, on the day when she took over, the school was ranked 40th in U.S. News and world report. We are ranked 62 now. She fired our football coach over the same type of decline. Second, the Fine mess happened on her watch. Whatever I can do to remove her, I will do.

I have said before and I will say again that if SU is going to weather this storm, it will be because of their Chancellor. Getting rid of her would be the worst possible move from the University standpoint.

 

[grepal]

I can not think of a wrong move she has made in this situation. I believe she deserves credit for her handling of the situation as far as we know it. Frankly, I can't think of anything she should have done that she has not. She has been out in front of this mess since it became news. A very impressive job in my opinion.. now the Football thing, not so much.

 

[jcuse44]

Cantor is doing good work with the University trying to improve the city..which being born and raised in the Salt City is cool...Yet i agree, she seems to be letting the University slip in a bunch of important rankings and distinctions. And im really sick of seeing her on the football field every single game with Gross handing out trophys and posing for pictures and kissing babies.

 

[Noexcuse]

I think they all go after this all shakes out. Gross as well. It will be just too much to overcome, quickest way to start the healing process is with a whole new team. You don't around, you cut and cut deep. If people under your watch **** up really bad eventually it is your ass as well. This is why people make the big bucks and our elevated to leadership positions.

A lot will depend on how thorough the University's investigation was conducted, whether they followed any recommendations and public perception of any coverup on the University's part, imo.

 

[AZOrange]

Cantor is doing good work with the University trying to improve the city..which being born and raised in the Salt City is cool...Yet i agree, she seems to be letting the University slip in a bunch of important rankings and distinctions. And im really sick of seeing her on the football field every single game with Gross handing out trophys and posing for pictures and kissing babies.

Shaq picking her up like a baby was one of the highlights of the basketball season.

 

[dash-30-dash]

Because she has done such a good job as Chancellor? Sorry, i don't see it. First act was to fire football coach with no replacement in line. As was already stated, the economic standing of the school has dropped rapidly since she stepped on campus.

 

[AZOrange]

Because she has done such a good job as Chancellor? Sorry, i don't see it. First act was to fire football coach with no replacement in line. As was already stated, the economic standing of the school has dropped rapidly since she stepped on campus.

The economic standing of Syracuse has declined due to her?

 

[Jeepers]

The community work is a big deal and I commend her for that. Didn't/isn't Yale go/going through something very similar and it turned out well?

Ranking is debatable. There is a ton of politics involved, after all. What really bothered me was losing AAU. And she blew it off like it was meaningless. Very disappointing considering she came from multiple B10 schools, where AAU is considered very important. All she had to do was maintain a bare minimum to stay AAU. It's very unlikely we will ever be able to get that back.

 

[dash-30-dash]

Ha. i obviously meant academic standing. But the economic standing might well be dropping as well.SUball

 

[jcuse44]

I wish shaq would have dunked her.. THAT would have been a highlight. And im still shuttering from the view of her belly falling out of her sweater and her snorting like a pig when he lifted her up

 

[MaxwellCuse]

I have said before and I will say again that if SU is going to weather this storm, it will be because of their Chancellor. Getting rid of her would be the worst possible move from the University standpoint.

I am in full agreement. There are few people I would want more to help guide the university through this crisis than Nancy Cantor. And I'm not particularly fond of Nancy Cantor.

I think it is worth remembering also that, so far, no allegations of sexual abuse of ball boys during her watch have yet surfaced.

 

[bevosu]

A lot will depend on what the ongoing criminal investigation turns up.

I really don't think we have any proof of anything yet. Lots of allegations and speculations.

It's possible that when all is said and done there will be no criminal prosecution of Bernie for child abuse. It may turn out to be nothing more than consensual gay relationships. Why would anyone at the University be at fault for not exposing that?

The child molestation speculation is just that...at this point. The SOL makes a lot of the allegations criminally mute. Are the alleged victim(s) who have claimed more recent incidents credible? I don't know.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The community work is a big deal and I commend her for that. Didn't/isn't Yale go/going through something very similar and it turned out well?

Ranking is debatable. There is a ton of politics involved, after all. What really bothered me was losing AAU. And she blew it off like it was meaningless. Very disappointing considering she came from multiple B10 schools, where AAU is considered very important. All she had to do was maintain a bare minimum to stay AAU. It's very unlikely we will ever be able to get that back.

To be fair, the only way we could have hung onto AAU status was to merge SUNY's Upstate Medical Center into SU as a contract college (the way SUNY's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences was merged with Cornell).

 

[BonaCuse]

To be fair, the only way we could have hung onto AAU status was to merge SUNY's Upstate Medical Center into SU as a contract college (the way SUNY's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences was merged with Cornell).

Really? Why was that?

 

[dash-30-dash]

Okay. should have been done. It may not mean much to anyone else but i hate seeing the rankings drop like they have.

 

[Jeepers]

Really? Why was that?

They say that AAU criteria heavily favors schools with med schools (research).

 

[rrlbees]

I have said before and I will say again that if SU is going to weather this storm, it will be because of their Chancellor. Getting rid of her would be the worst possible move from the University standpoint.

Agree. A reach to JB is far, it is much further to Cantor unless some cover up is shown. People are just lashing out at anyone if JB is forced out.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

first, on the day when she took over, the school was ranked 40th in U.S. News and world report. We are ranked 62 now. She fired our football coach over the same type of decline. Second, the Fine mess happened on her watch. Whatever I can do to remove her, I will do.

GRob was the equivilent of dropping from 40th to 200

Second, US News isn't the final word in academic excellence you know. There are so many parts of it that are irrelevent. There are other measuring sticks out there

Third, the AAU thing...I was always amazed that we were in it to begin with. Truthfully, we never have been a major research university. That we were bounced probably has less to do with her than it does with the AAU tightening their standards

Finally, why the dislike of Cantor? She seems to have done the right things so far. She has picked her spots to speak, she hasn't said anyone told a thousand lies or were trying to make money. She made the right call on firing Bernie (and you don't have to have committed a crime to be fired; that happens all the time in the real world)

 

[dash-30-dash]

No. i'm using actually using it to get rid of someone I want to fire. I don't care about good works in the city of Syracuse. I care about my degree. And since she has been in town, the school has dropped in a independant magazine rating by a large amount. That is the first thing I care about. As was also mentioned, we lost AAU status. Not good. We have been picked by the ACC which I am very happy about but since they came for us last time, I don't think she really had much to do with it.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Really? Why was that?

We're simply not a reasearch university the way the other AAU members are. I was always shocked that we were a member in the first place. It's just a fact. We also tend to be geared more to undergraduate education than advanced degrees. We do offer them of course, but half the PhD's in America come out of AAU schools. Over half the reseach grants go to AAU schools.

I say all of this as someone whose undergrad degree at SU and graduate work was in a discipline that is a fairly big deal at most AAU schools. I'm proud of my SU degree, but I am also aware of the differences between us and many of the AAU members.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Finally, why the dislike of Cantor? She seems to have done the right things so far. She has picked her spots to speak, she hasn't said anyone told a thousand lies or were trying to make money. She made the right call on firing Bernie (and you don't have to have committed a crime to be fired; that happens all the time in the real world)[/quote]

Some people just can't handle women in powerful positions.