If the Big XII were smart (they aren't though)

[Chip]

Allowing 3+5+5 is not the same thing as allowing a CCG game at 10 members.

Isn't it all part of the same rule?

I thought the rule said that in order to hold a CCG, you have to have 12 teams, with two divisions of 6 teams, where everyone plays everyone in their division. And the division winners meet in the CCG.

To be honest, I never looked it up, I just recall it from many discussions on the board. I guess I could google it, but won't have time for that exercise until later.

 

[Chip]

hey i think 14 is dumb, but its the only way we got in so...but yeah, thats why im fine with 12.

otherwise, id rather have everybody go back to 10 (hello penn st)...

but since thats not happening, im arbitrarily putting the floor at 12.

10 would be so awesome though. everyone plays everyone, then you use the NFL tiebreaker system to get a top 2 who play for the Championship.

Oh, I'm thrilled someone went to 14. It was our way out of purgatory.

I just think it's more complicated to force other leagues who have power teams (let's call them Texas and Oklahoma) to all get to the same # of teams. They should at least be forced to change their conference name. Big 10 was smart enough to at least rebrand it as B1G. Big 12? Nah, here we are, the Big 12, all 10 of us. With our fancy roman numeral.

 

[Orangepace]

not a bad cheaper alternative, but the football $$ is still being split 12 ways.

with memphis, they would strengthen the hoop side (please people, dont try and tell me football drives the bus...blah blah blah, things are different now. got to think macro) and its a solid land grab for them.

This. West Virginia is a major outlier for the conference. Memphis and Cincy actually make sense geographically for that reason. If they were to grab more western teams, WVU would just be alienated even further and they'd be a prime candidate to jump conferences if the major conferences ever go to 16 teams. The threat of them jumping would actually weaken the Big 12. The B12 needs to try to protect what they have before further expansion occurs. They're in prime territory for the SEC to grab at least one of the two remaining key pieces, Texas and Oklahoma. If either of those were to leave you can bet the conference would fall apart.

That brings me to another interesting scenario.. Wouldn't it be great if the other 4 conferences announced tomorrow they were pursuing further expansion. The B12 is the absolute prime candidate for poaching at this point. Wouldn't it be awesome if WVU was left to take their Dude and scramble back to the AAC?!?! Unlikely, but one can wish, no?!

:rolling:

 

[SU68]

UConn and Temple.

Big 12 owns NYC and Philly.

Done.

I don't think that either city would be "owned" by any conference. Neither UConn nor Temple is a significant player in these markets. They just don't move the needle.

 

[Hoo's That]

... Texas to Independence with ND deal w/ACC ...

For some reason I keep seeing this as happening. Maybe because it plays to Texas' ego.

 

[Scotch]

The Big 12 was a few bounces of the ball away from landing two teams in the playoff, and they are splitting profits ten ways. Bowlsby would have been on the cover of Sports Illustrated under the headline of "Mastermind."

If I were them, I would hold tight, petition the NCAA to adjust it's ridiculous/arbitrary conference championship rules, and remind myself not to make any huge decisions based off the way one year shook out in this crazy sport.

 

[Ottoble]

I'd exhaust resources on getting the waiver or getting the rule thrown out together before adding people, giving them anything and potentially changing our revenue distribution plan.

So with this waiver on a 10 team league, what happens when there's a three way tie, lets say K State beat Baylor and auburn this year and still lost to tcu three way tie circle with all common opponent tiebreakers out the window as all teams are 10-1?

Same goes for a divisionless 14 team league but that's a bit more complicated. Might not happen for ten years but the way things are going it would be year one of the system

 

[SmilinBob]

So with this waiver on a 10 team league, what happens when there's a three way tie, lets say K State beat Baylor and auburn this year and still lost to tcu three way tie circle with all common opponent tiebreakers out the window as all teams are 10-1?

Same goes for a divisionless 14 team league but that's a bit more complicated. Might not happen for ten years but the way things are going it would be year one of the system

That is a problem but at least you would be having the top teams play unlike what could happen if you have a 12-0 and 11-1 in one division and a 9-3 or 8-4 in the other division. I'd rather error to the better teams. And you're right...I'm sure it would happen in year one!

You HAVE to have a solid tiebreaker put in ahead of time and can't be wishy washy like the Big 12 sounded. What I would do is look at the past X amount of years in the ACC when they had 12/14 teams and combine them into one division and then dissect it to see how it would have played out.

 

[Chris02M]

Why would the other P4 conferences which have expanded allow the Big XII to have a waiver to play its CCG with 10 members. They aren't likely to want to help the Big XII at all and if this uproar causes division within the conference good for the Pac-12, SEC, ACC, B1g which can carve up the Big XII assets.

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State already applied to the Pac-12 in 2010 and were declined. The Big XII will have to add football schools for a title game. They could add full members with two of Cincinnati/BYU/UCF/Memphis or go after football only members in Boise State/San Diego State/UNLV/BYU.

This waiver isn't going to happen and you know that.

acc supported it at one point id think only way we would support it now is if they agreed to our no divisions best 2 records play for conference championship request from ncaa

 

[Alsacs]

acc supported it at one point id think only way we would support it now is if they agreed to our no divisions best 2 records play for conference championship request from ncaa

Neither the ACC or Big XII have the power to do anything without the support of the Big Ten or SEC. The ACC supported it because they wanted the no division limitation and they were in an alliance with the Big XII after that conference commissioner gave the ACC a template for its GOR that it got signed by all 14 members.

The ACC/Big XII don't have the power that SEC/Big Ten have. The Pac-12 does whatever the Big Ten wants, and typically the ACC/Big XII follow the SEC.