If this ends up being 4 x 16

[GoSU96]

Very real risk SU is outside looking in.

16 slots to fill in 4 conferences.

The way I see it there are 22 legit candidates for those 16 spots. The 14 ACC schools, ND, and L'ville, Cinci, Uconn, Rutgers, USF, Boise and BYU

 

[omniorange]

Agreed. I think it's a 90% chance that SU, BC, UConn, and Rutgers will all be on the outside looking in.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Whitey23]

Crazy to think that Universities would gut CFB to make more money. So are we moving to 1-AAA?

 

[JJReddawg]

The PAC 12 would have to pull in 4 teams. Based on the available Universities, you'd have to assume Boise State and BYU are the most logical solely based on geography. After that, where do they go? San Diego State? The mere thought that Universities such as Washington State, Iowa State, Northwestern, etc., will be included and Syracuse could be left out is just pure sickening.

 

[jr4750]

How about the likes of Indiana, MN, Wake, Vanderbilt, etc. All got spots at the table and far less football history than SU.

 

[OrangeMojo]

Agreed. I think it's a 90% chance that SU, BC, UConn, and Rutgers will all be on the outside looking in.

Cheers,
Neil

I think there's a 90% chance the ACC stays in tact and the 4x16 model doesn't happen.

 

[Orangemen]

90% might be low.

If it becomes 4x16, we are out, IMO.

If P didn't decide to quit recruiting, and if TGD hadn't hired the worst coach in recent memory, we may not be in this position, but- here we are.

Now, I don't think 4x16 will happen, but if it did, it would hurt.

I really believe that these are all internet based rumors, spread by people who really don't know the finances of any of these deals, and then picked up by anxious reporters looking to break the next big move, who also really don't know the finances of any of these deals.

Twitter and blogs have not done great things for the reliability of journalists.

 

[jr4750]

I think there's a 90% chance the ACC stays in tact and the 4x16 model doesn't happen.

I have to think you are right... ACC's in bed with ESPN. Too much history and rivalry to blow that up and watch UNC play Purdue in basketball. However, I know absolutely nothing so...

 

[OrangeMojo]

I have to think you are right... ACC's in bed with ESPN. Too much history and rivalry to blow that up and watch UNC play Purdue in basketball. However, I know absolutely nothing so...

I just don't see the PAC-12 going to 16 teams without poaching from the Big12 (no chance they invite BSU and BYU let alone 2 other western schools to get to 16) - and if the Big 12 is getting poached, I don't see them offering enough stability to then persuade a bunch of teams to leave the ACC to join them.

 

[Bayside44]

I think everyone is nuts.

 

[NKR1978]

The PAC 12 would have to pull in 4 teams. Based on the available Universities, you'd have to assume Boise State and BYU are the most logical solely based on geography. After that, where do they go? San Diego State? The mere thought that Universities such as Washington State, Iowa State, Northwestern, etc., will be included and Syracuse could be left out is just pure sickening.

That's why 4x16 is so unlikely. No way the Pac-12 takes Boise or SDSU. For political/religious reasons I seriously doubt BYU gets into a conference with liberal leaning universities and states though they may be an option. Pac would take KU, OU, Texas and one of Okie State/Texas Tech.

Once the Big 12 schools all sign their rights away to the conference, the 4x16 model will not work.

 

[kingottoiii]

The P12 will not go to 16 unless they can get B12 teams. If they take B12 teams then the ACC, and SU for that matter, is safe and will be at 16 teams.

The SEC, B1G, and B12 could get to 16. In that case the ACC is gutted and SU is left out.

However it is also possible that one or more of the SEC, B1G, and B12 go to 18. Then SU has an outside shot, but still likely left out.

 

[NKR1978]

I have to think you are right... ACC's in bed with ESPN. Too much history and rivalry to blow that up and watch UNC play Purdue in basketball. However, I know absolutely nothing so...

You're a self-aware John Snow!

 

[Upstate]

Who says that each conference stops at 16? Sure, it's a pretty number that's easily divisible, but why not 4x18 or 20 if there are money makers still out there?

 

[Noexcuse]

How about the likes of Indiana, MN, Wake, Vanderbilt, etc. All got spots at the table and far less football history than SU.

Thank you. Was just about to point this out. And there are a few more in the "power conferences" that are there by default as well.

 

[gocraz4dasu]

I'm really not all that worried to tell you the truth. Nothing has really happened, yet, to really scare me. Just bunch of people believing everything that they read on Twitter and overreacting. People always look to something else to worry or stress about even if they don't know half the story.

 

[Janner]

That's why 4x16 is so unlikely. No way the Pac-12 takes Boise or SDSU. For political/religious reasons I seriously doubt BYU gets into a conference with liberal leaning universities and states though they may be an option. Pac would take KU, OU, Texas and one of Okie State/Texas Tech.

Once the Big 12 schools all sign their rights away to the conference, the 4x16 model will not work.

Totally agreed. Once those rights are signed away for well over a decade the Pac 12 will not have any viable options. Remember they would have to take teams that would increase their per school pay out. So basically the teams they would have to get would have to bring in over $20M each. If football is 80% of the equation, who is out that, realistically, that could bring that to the table? Texas and OU? With out those two what happens to the Big 12 during the next merry-go-round of expansion?

 

[cuseguy]

If schools like Syracuse are left on the outside, college football, as we know it, is DEAD.

 

[gocraz4dasu]

From what I'm hearing, the Big 12 is going to add Notre Dame for all of it's non-football teams and eventually have Notre Dame join the conference down the line. Just rumblings, as of now

 

[omniorange]

I think there's a 90% chance the ACC stays in tact and the 4x16 model doesn't happen.

Don't necessarily disagree with this, though I'd put it more at 70% not happening. My post was in response to IF it goes 4-16. At one time, since I envisioned the ACC not the Big 12 at the 4th conference, I would have said SU would 99.9% chance of not being left out (obviously this was before we were even invited to the ACC).

But under the current scenario, 4-16 is only possibly with the ACC Armageddon scenario.

We're in for a tense couple of months.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Chip]

Very real risk SU is outside looking in.

16 slots to fill in 4 conferences.

The way I see it there are 22 legit candidates for those 16 spots. The 14 ACC schools, ND, and L'ville, Cinci, Uconn, Rutgers, USF, Boise and BYU

Depends on how much ESPN likes us. Because no one is going to 4 X 16 without their input. Whole point is to get more money. Who exactly is going to pay it?

 

[Upstate]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
Some college football bloggers are saying FSU to the Big 12 on or around June 18. Hey guys, you can't at least be as specific as the Mayans?

 

[cuseguy]

Folks, if there's only 64 meaningful college football teams, the sport is in its dying days.

 

[NKR1978]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
Some college football bloggers are saying FSU to the Big 12 on or around June 18. Hey guys, you can't at least be as specific as the Mayans?

I kind of think FSU will go to the 12; but I don't think there has ever been a date assigned as to when a move would take place. After the mess of the 2003 ACC expansion and SEC/Texas A&M, these schools and conferences do not want this sticking around for 3 weeks. If FSU is going to the Big 12, then they're not choosing some arbitrary date to withdraw. What's to say that knowing this date, the ACC presidents vote to increase the exit fee to $40,000,000 tomorrow? (I understand that realistically this could not happen, but just as an example)

 

[KaiserUEO]

Very real risk SU is outside looking in.

16 slots to fill in 4 conferences.

The way I see it there are 22 legit candidates for those 16 spots. The 14 ACC schools, ND, and L'ville, Cinci, Uconn, Rutgers, USF, Boise and BYU

then the 16 slots get filled by the 14 ACC, ND and who gives a shlit.

boise...HAH.

id rank them

1. byu
2. lville
3. rut
4. storz
5. usf
6. boise

but you want to flip 1 and 2...knock yourself out. the drop comes after that.

Oh Lord