If this ends up being 4 x 16

[Upstate]

then the 16 slots get filled by the 14 ACC, ND and who gives a shlit.

boise...HAH.

id rank them

1. byu
2. lville
3. rut
4. storz
5. usf
6. boise

but you want to flip 1 and 2...knock yourself out. the drop comes after that.

Oh Lord

Can't forget that USF made the tourney this year. If they can take off somehow and not blow the end of seasons, and continue to progress in bball, they can atleast be competitive, though their fan support seems pretty slim.

 

[SU2NASA]

I think everyone is nuts.

I wish I could like this post five-hundred times.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
Some college football bloggers are saying FSU to the Big 12 on or around June 18. Hey guys, you can't at least be as specific as the Mayans?

Except, of course, the Mayans did not predict the world to end on December 21, 2012. And now archaeologists have found a Mayan calendar that extends thousands of years into the future. So all of this hand wringing and conjecture and bullchit about the end of time just turns out to be...kind of like conference expansion talk.

 

[Stern]

Folks, if there's only 64 meaningful college football teams, the sport is in its dying days.

Disagree. It makes the regular season games even more meaningful.

Sucks that SU wouldn't be a part of it, but for just "JOE FAN" at home who doesn't have a school he follows or has a school that is one of the 64, it will be great!

 

[orangecuse]

Thank you. Was just about to point this out. And there are a few more in the "power conferences" that are there by default as well.

Thinking similar thoughts as well. What makes some of them by default type teams in the perceived strong hold conferences any better than SU or the so-called schools on the outside looking in?

 

[orangecuse]

If schools like Syracuse are left on the outside, college football, as we know it, is DEAD.

Yeah, maybe Green & Whitlock should of participated in a debate like this rather than that pseudo topic they debated on.

 

[Rocco]

The odds of 4x16 are worse than GRob winning the Allstate D1 Coach of the Year.

 

[javadoc]

Very real risk SU is outside looking in.

Agree, if it goes that way. But it's going to be at least 6 teams in, IMO. More likely it will be 8. You can't cut out the dollar-whores angle by having an 8-team playoff, but you will quell the (reasonable) left-behind panic. I think an 8-team playoff is a great idea, and the NCAA should get behind it.

 

[Stern]

I think we are snowballing to 4X16 at a rapid rate!

With all the TV money out there nowadays, it's just gonna happen! Too much competition. You have ESPN as a monster. You have Comcast now running NBC. FOX is always game to spend money on sports and is in bed with the Pac 12 but wants more after losing the BCS games. And even CBS is trying to rebrand its sports network with Jim Rome and other additions of late. The TV money is out there and College Football needs something to go with a "playoff" or removal of the BCS. It's a match made in heaven (or hell depending on your point of view) and I think 4X16 is a matter of WHEN and not IF anymore.

The ONLY play Swafford has right now is to be pushing for an 8 game playoff instead of a 4 game playoff. Where you take the 5 main conference winners with 3 at large spots. Leaving ND in play as an Independent (sucks but a necessary evil in this scenario). But also letting MULTIPLE SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 teams into the playoff in a given year. Giving them MORE of the pie cut in their favor. Overall it de-values the regular season but keeps the ACC alive and its Swafford's best and only play right now.

P.S...(as much as I would hate to see the ACC have its Armageddon and blow up for Syracuse's sake; if you believe in KARMA then if there was a conference who had it coming to them to get raided and destroyed it is the ACC for there actions over the past decade. I hope it doesn't happen, but KARMA can be a funny things sometimes and that worries me for SU's sake.)

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Who are the 4 teams joining the Pac12?

They're not taking Fresno State, or Bakersfield, or any other California school.

They're not taking UNLV or Reno.

They're not taking Boise or Hawaii.

Looks like they're stuck at 12, unless Bevo and his buddies want to jump two timezones. And that helps the ACC.

Better chance of seeing 5 x 14. Pac12 stays at 12, and maybe somebody goes to 16.

 

[longtimefan]

Who are the 4 teams joining the Pac12?

They're not taking Fresno State, or Bakersfield, or any other California school.

They're not taking UNLV or Reno.

They're not taking Boise or Hawaii.

Looks like they're stuck at 12, unless Bevo and his buddies want to jump two timezones. And that helps the ACC.

Better chance of seeing 5 x 14. Pac12 stays at 12, and maybe somebody goes to 16.

Or. . .The PAC stays at 12, the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC all go to 16, and only 60 are in the "club". And SU is likely screwed.

 

[Scooch]

I think everyone is nuts.

ing-A right.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Or. . .The PAC stays at 12, the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC all go to 16, and only 60 are in the "club". And SU is likely screwed.

Every school in NY, NJ, Western PA, and New England is screwed.

That's a lot of screwing.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Agree, if it goes that way. But it's going to be at least 6 teams in, IMO. More likely it will be 8. You can't cut out the dollar-whores angle by having an 8-team playoff, but you will quell the (reasonable) left-behind panic. I think an 8-team playoff is a great idea, and the NCAA should get behind it.

The 4x16 scheme creates an 8-team playoff with the conference championship games being a defacto first round.

 

[javadoc]

The 4x16 scheme creates an 8-team playoff with the conference championship games being a defacto first round.

I'm not talking de facto, I am talking honest-to-goodness. Winners of ACC, Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12, Big East, C-USA, maybe MWC/WAC, and fill rest of spots with at-large that can come from anywhere, including ND - but the at-large team(s) have to be selected by a committee a la the hoops tourney.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

I like the ACC's chances in a 4x16 scenario if it makes it through the next couple weeks. I can't see Larry Scott getting caught flat-footed.

Still, the 4x16 isn't ripe (and hopefully never will be).

 

[SmilinBob]

I'm surprised they don't go to a Big 4 with 20 schools under the umbrella of each conference. Why? So the conferences that expanded can actually go back to the original schools and play the schools they have a natural rivalry with.

For example the Big 10:
Michigan, OSU, Indiana, NW, Iowa, Purdue, MSU, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minny
PSU, Nebraska, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Virginia, Rutgers, WF, BC

SEC:
Bama, Auburn, UT, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vandy, Mississippi, MSU
Ark, Mizzou, SCar, A&M, VT, NC, NCS, Duke

Big 12:
Texas, TT, OU, OSU, Kansas, KSU, Baylor, Iowa S, TCU, ?
WV, Louisville, Cincy, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia T, USF

PAC:
USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, OSU, Cal, Wash, WSU, San Diego St, Boise St
Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St, Fresno St, ?,?

PAC was tough especially if you have to include a decent academic school. Now you can have a playoff to determine the conference champ and then it's a final 4. You can mix and match a little as I was just trying to keep the rivalries somewhat in tact.

 

[kingtidge]

From what I'm hearing, the Big 12 is going to add Notre Dame for all of it's non-football teams and eventually have Notre Dame join the conference down the line. Just rumblings, as of now

Mike Tranghese just read that and started crying...

 

[MaxwellCuse]

From what I'm hearing, the Big 12 is going to add Notre Dame for all of it's non-football teams and eventually have Notre Dame join the conference down the line. Just rumblings, as of now

The only people who believe this are WVU fans and Chip Brown. Fact: Notre Dame will never ditch its Catholic brethren at Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, Providence, DePaul, etc. for a bunch of secular public schools with questionable academic located in the Baptist Bible Belt. ND has no peers whatsoever in the Big 12. If ND ever gives up its independence it will be for membership in either the B1G or ACC. The Big 12 is a non-starter, regardless of the friendship between the ADs at ND and Texas.

 

[Upstate]

I'm surprised they don't go to a Big 4 with 20 schools under the umbrella of each conference. Why? So the conferences that expanded can actually go back to the original schools and play the schools they have a natural rivalry with.

For example the Big 10:
Michigan, OSU, Indiana, NW, Iowa, Purdue, MSU, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minny
PSU, Nebraska, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Virginia, Rutgers, WF, BC

SEC:
Bama, Auburn, UT, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vandy, Mississippi, MSU
Ark, Mizzou, SCar, A&M, VT, NC, NCS, Duke

Big 12:
Texas, TT, OU, OSU, Kansas, KSU, Baylor, Iowa S, TCU, ?
WV, Louisville, Cincy, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia T, USF

PAC:
USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, OSU, Cal, Wash, WSU, San Diego St, Boise St
Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St, Fresno St, ?,?

PAC was tough especially if you have to include a decent academic school. Now you can have a playoff to determine the conference champ and then it's a final 4. You can mix and match a little as I was just trying to keep the rivalries somewhat in tact.

I do think this is more likely. If this expansion thing explodes, and teams go to a 16-team model, it isn't going to stop there. Not with major universities still available, conference-less.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Very real risk SU is outside looking in.

Nope. There aren't 64 Universities with more athletic worth that Syracuse. There aren't even 40 football teams that are more profitable than Syracuse Basketball. Syracuse Football right now is buying low with a pretty reasonable expectation of bigger returns. They are also in a state without other options for representation that networks would want.

If basketball isn't important then why is Indiana gaurenteed a spot? How bout Wake or Duke or Kansas? Boise State isn't getting invited over SU. Why is BC considered safe but not SU in these circumstances? SU is alot more profitable than BC. What do Texas Tech and Baylor bring to the table if they aren't connected to UT and OU? How about K State, or Iowa State? How exciting are they and how much earning potential do they really have?

IMHO SU is fine although the fans here seem to underestimate how we are viewed. I'd also like to point out that L'ville is alot more desirable than current Big 12, ACC, and some B1G teams from a profit standpoint and would be in should 4x16 happens.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

From what I'm hearing, the Big 12 is going to add Notre Dame for all of it's non-football teams and eventually have Notre Dame join the conference down the line. Just rumblings, as of now

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...d-big-east-olympic-sports-jack-swarbrick-says

 

[KaiserUEO]

the SEC just played itself for the National Championship.

a champions only 4team tourny eliminates that possibility.

it will never fly. as soon schools realize that the more fish in their sea, while adding some $$...diminishes their chance of adding to their trophy case, expansion will die.

the ACC is going nowhere.

FSU is going nowhere.

clemson, god bless their souls, isnt going anywhere. a perennial 6 & 7 win team going to the SEC?? the only people who think this is a good idea are vandy and Ole Miss, cause they could use the W.

 

[SmilinBob]

Nope. There aren't 64 Universities with more athletic worth that Syracuse. There aren't even 40 football teams that are more profitable than Syracuse Basketball. Syracuse Football right now is buying low with a pretty reasonable expectation of bigger returns. They are also in a state without other options for representation that networks would want.

If basketball isn't important then why is Indiana gaurenteed a spot? How bout Wake or Duke or Kansas? Boise State isn't getting invited over SU. Why is BC considered safe but not SU in these circumstances? SU is alot more profitable than BC. What do Texas Tech and Baylor bring to the table if they aren't connected to UT and OU? How about K State, or Iowa State? How exciting are they and how much earning potential do they really have?

IMHO SU is fine although the fans here seem to underestimate how we are viewed. I'd also like to point out that L'ville is alot more desirable than current Big 12, ACC, and some B1G teams from a profit standpoint and would be in should 4x16 happens.

Indiana is tenured in, talent be damned.

 

[UpStateOfMind]

the SEC just played itself for the National Championship.

a champions only 4team tourny eliminates that possibility.

it will never fly. as soon schools realize that the more fish in their sea, while adding some $$...diminishes their chance of adding to their trophy case, expansion will die.

the ACC is going nowhere.

FSU is going nowhere.

clemson, god bless their souls, isnt going anywhere. a perennial 6 & 7 win team going to the SEC?? the only people who think this is a good idea are vandy and Ole Miss, cause they could use the W.

TAMU?

Can't wait for your snarky response!