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If you want anyone to show up, gotta make the change

If he’s not ready it could be a Tom Savage take 2. I still trust Fran but no one wants a death march.

We can’t worry of poaching so I don’t think that’s part of this decision
No it isn’t I just mentioned that Luke succeeding would mean him being grabbed by another program is the only downside, but I don’t believe by any means that it would be part of the decision at all
 
No it isn’t I just mentioned that Luke succeeding would mean him being grabbed by another program is the only downside, but I don’t believe by any means that it would be part of the decision at all
If he’s that good it will mean he salvaged the season. Stop making decisions based on fear.
 
Does brown know just how willing to eat the tickets every single ticket holder is?

These tickets are like crappy gift cards in a drawer, maybe they get used but probably not

People might go see what anyone else can do

That game last week was so bad, I apologized to the family, I hate apologizing to them, I suggested it when angeli still could walk

"If you want anyone to show up, gotta make the change"​


let's say John Cena sings the national anthem and MONSTER TRUCKS at the half.
 
Does brown know just how willing to eat the tickets every single ticket holder is?

These tickets are like crappy gift cards in a drawer, maybe they get used but probably not

People might go see what anyone else can do

That game last week was so bad, I apologized to the family, I hate apologizing to them, I suggested it when angeli still could walk
Don't pretend to speak for me. I'm using my tix and I will feast on the crow you will be serving when the offense performs with Rickie at QB.
I really don't like how quickly so many of you turn against people after two losses. You all must have been amazing 20 year olds.
 
My takes:

#1. QB. Collins is the guy for Pitt. The reason why Collins gets the start for Pitt, for me, is that he showed a lot more decisiveness in the 4th quarter against SMU. Sure, SMU was playing softer. Angeli was 5 minutes away from us being 0-2 after Tennessee and UConn. Angeli turned the ball over against Tennessee to take us out of that game too, if you recall. For most of that game, it was never really in doubt that we were losing after Q1. And then UConn kind of went conservative on offense/defense in the 4th quarter too. But then Angeli seemed to really get it right those last 5 minutes. And then Colgate really refined his confidence. Rickie looked better the last 10 minutes against SMU.. .kind of parallel. The difference is that we were down 31-3 when that started against SMU, not down 17-6. I just thought he looked much more decisive. Forget about the results of the play. When he ran, he looked like a guy that knew it was right and proper to run. Gaining some confidence. Unlike Angeli, he does not get Colgate to really improve his confidence. But he does get a bye week. And then the pressure cooker that is Pitt. But I think he deserves a fair chance at start #3.

#2. OC. The offensive coordinator has to start doing things to help Rickie. And I think that is taking advantage of his mobility. I think his running game may help his passing game. If he becomes the type of QB that can extend drives with his legs, then so be it. Call plays that will take advantage of that. Let's face it. Rickie is in danger of losing his job... the NFL is not on the horizon. If we could call plays for Angeli to run and suffer a season-ending injury... given that Rickie is plainly faster and not as good at passing, I think we have to. Rickie's career needs to have Rickie winning some games... QUICKLY. If the backups are similar, then it makes sense to start morphing the offense in that direction anyway. As for passing plays, you cannot keep running the same plays that Angeli and McCord were running. We need to reinvent the wheel during this bye week to tailor it to what we have right now. Maybe more 2 WR sets than we would ever expect given our depth there.

3. Fran Brown. Really starting to question game/score management. I hate when coaches punt from the opponents 40 yard line. But there is a point where being aggressive is hurting a growing team. Against UConn, you had an Angeli that was still settling into his position as QB1 and we let the team fall behind and stay behind most of the game by not kicking FGs. I thought that maybe we just did not have a good kicker, but that does not seem to be the case. Against SMU, you had a Collins that was even farther behind Angeli at the same point, and we took points off the board AGAIN. We have taken 15+ points off the board this year and the only gain was that we made it up for it against UConn. We were closer to losing against UConn than we were winning against SMU. A TD would have been nice each time. It always is preferable. But, in the first half, I think you take the points every time. Especially with an offense that is struggling. Better to be up 3-0 and 6-0... than tied at 0-0. Next year, if Angeli is back and we are clicking on offense right out of the gate... fine. But when Angeli was struggling and Collins is struggling, I think we need to take the points to improve the team confidence.

My other criticizm is that I am very tired of seeing us down 24-3 and we make a first down... and our guys quickly jump to their feet to do some sort of demonstrative pointing and gesturing. That is bad enough when you are a really good team and winning. It has no place on a team that is being blown out. I see absolutely no DART in it at all, unless a few guys celebrate together. Obviously... the players are not robots and unemotional. I am not against celebrating. I am glad that they allow it in college now. But, if Fran is at all serious about turning this team into champions, I think he should be teaching/coaching to celebrate TDs and good plays as a team... not with individuals calling attention to themselves. And, by all means... if a first down is in a game where you are down by 28 points... there is no "team-based" reason to celebrate. You should still be so embarassed by the current status of the game that no one good play can make up for it. Does this make sense? When we were upsetting Clemson, celebrating seemed right. When we are being blown out by Duke and SMU, there is nothing to celebrate at all. No good play is celebration worthy. "Who cares if we are losing, I just made a big play!!!"
 
My takes:

#1. QB. Collins is the guy for Pitt. The reason why Collins gets the start for Pitt, for me, is that he showed a lot more decisiveness in the 4th quarter against SMU. Sure, SMU was playing softer. Angeli was 5 minutes away from us being 0-2 after Tennessee and UConn. Angeli turned the ball over against Tennessee to take us out of that game too, if you recall. For most of that game, it was never really in doubt that we were losing after Q1. And then UConn kind of went conservative on offense/defense in the 4th quarter too. But then Angeli seemed to really get it right those last 5 minutes. And then Colgate really refined his confidence. Rickie looked better the last 10 minutes against SMU.. .kind of parallel. The difference is that we were down 31-3 when that started against SMU, not down 17-6. I just thought he looked much more decisive. Forget about the results of the play. When he ran, he looked like a guy that knew it was right and proper to run. Gaining some confidence. Unlike Angeli, he does not get Colgate to really improve his confidence. But he does get a bye week. And then the pressure cooker that is Pitt. But I think he deserves a fair chance at start #3.

#2. OC. The offensive coordinator has to start doing things to help Rickie. And I think that is taking advantage of his mobility. I think his running game may help his passing game. If he becomes the type of QB that can extend drives with his legs, then so be it. Call plays that will take advantage of that. Let's face it. Rickie is in danger of losing his job... the NFL is not on the horizon. If we could call plays for Angeli to run and suffer a season-ending injury... given that Rickie is plainly faster and not as good at passing, I think we have to. Rickie's career needs to have Rickie winning some games... QUICKLY. If the backups are similar, then it makes sense to start morphing the offense in that direction anyway. As for passing plays, you cannot keep running the same plays that Angeli and McCord were running. We need to reinvent the wheel during this bye week to tailor it to what we have right now. Maybe more 2 WR sets than we would ever expect given our depth there.

3. Fran Brown. Really starting to question game/score management. I hate when coaches punt from the opponents 40 yard line. But there is a point where being aggressive is hurting a growing team. Against UConn, you had an Angeli that was still settling into his position as QB1 and we let the team fall behind and stay behind most of the game by not kicking FGs. I thought that maybe we just did not have a good kicker, but that does not seem to be the case. Against SMU, you had a Collins that was even farther behind Angeli at the same point, and we took points off the board AGAIN. We have taken 15+ points off the board this year and the only gain was that we made it up for it against UConn. We were closer to losing against UConn than we were winning against SMU. A TD would have been nice each time. It always is preferable. But, in the first half, I think you take the points every time. Especially with an offense that is struggling. Better to be up 3-0 and 6-0... than tied at 0-0. Next year, if Angeli is back and we are clicking on offense right out of the gate... fine. But when Angeli was struggling and Collins is struggling, I think we need to take the points to improve the team confidence.

My other criticizm is that I am very tired of seeing us down 24-3 and we make a first down... and our guys quickly jump to their feet to do some sort of demonstrative pointing and gesturing. That is bad enough when you are a really good team and winning. It has no place on a team that is being blown out. I see absolutely no DART in it at all, unless a few guys celebrate together. Obviously... the players are not robots and unemotional. I am not against celebrating. I am glad that they allow it in college now. But, if Fran is at all serious about turning this team into champions, I think he should be teaching/coaching to celebrate TDs and good plays as a team... not with individuals calling attention to themselves. And, by all means... if a first down is in a game where you are down by 28 points... there is no "team-based" reason to celebrate. You should still be so embarassed by the current status of the game that no one good play can make up for it. Does this make sense? When we were upsetting Clemson, celebrating seemed right. When we are being blown out by Duke and SMU, there is nothing to celebrate at all. No good play is celebration worthy. "Who cares if we are losing, I just made a big play!!!"
Re #1 in the UConn game. It was the last 7 minutes and 15 seconds when we started the drive on I believe our own 10 yard line. Plus of course the OT.
 
My takes:

#1. QB. Collins is the guy for Pitt. The reason why Collins gets the start for Pitt, for me, is that he showed a lot more decisiveness in the 4th quarter against SMU. Sure, SMU was playing softer. Angeli was 5 minutes away from us being 0-2 after Tennessee and UConn. Angeli turned the ball over against Tennessee to take us out of that game too, if you recall. For most of that game, it was never really in doubt that we were losing after Q1. And then UConn kind of went conservative on offense/defense in the 4th quarter too. But then Angeli seemed to really get it right those last 5 minutes. And then Colgate really refined his confidence. Rickie looked better the last 10 minutes against SMU.. .kind of parallel. The difference is that we were down 31-3 when that started against SMU, not down 17-6. I just thought he looked much more decisive. Forget about the results of the play. When he ran, he looked like a guy that knew it was right and proper to run. Gaining some confidence. Unlike Angeli, he does not get Colgate to really improve his confidence. But he does get a bye week. And then the pressure cooker that is Pitt. But I think he deserves a fair chance at start #3.

#2. OC. The offensive coordinator has to start doing things to help Rickie. And I think that is taking advantage of his mobility. I think his running game may help his passing game. If he becomes the type of QB that can extend drives with his legs, then so be it. Call plays that will take advantage of that. Let's face it. Rickie is in danger of losing his job... the NFL is not on the horizon. If we could call plays for Angeli to run and suffer a season-ending injury... given that Rickie is plainly faster and not as good at passing, I think we have to. Rickie's career needs to have Rickie winning some games... QUICKLY. If the backups are similar, then it makes sense to start morphing the offense in that direction anyway. As for passing plays, you cannot keep running the same plays that Angeli and McCord were running. We need to reinvent the wheel during this bye week to tailor it to what we have right now. Maybe more 2 WR sets than we would ever expect given our depth there.

3. Fran Brown. Really starting to question game/score management. I hate when coaches punt from the opponents 40 yard line. But there is a point where being aggressive is hurting a growing team. Against UConn, you had an Angeli that was still settling into his position as QB1 and we let the team fall behind and stay behind most of the game by not kicking FGs. I thought that maybe we just did not have a good kicker, but that does not seem to be the case. Against SMU, you had a Collins that was even farther behind Angeli at the same point, and we took points off the board AGAIN. We have taken 15+ points off the board this year and the only gain was that we made it up for it against UConn. We were closer to losing against UConn than we were winning against SMU. A TD would have been nice each time. It always is preferable. But, in the first half, I think you take the points every time. Especially with an offense that is struggling. Better to be up 3-0 and 6-0... than tied at 0-0. Next year, if Angeli is back and we are clicking on offense right out of the gate... fine. But when Angeli was struggling and Collins is struggling, I think we need to take the points to improve the team confidence.

My other criticizm is that I am very tired of seeing us down 24-3 and we make a first down... and our guys quickly jump to their feet to do some sort of demonstrative pointing and gesturing. That is bad enough when you are a really good team and winning. It has no place on a team that is being blown out. I see absolutely no DART in it at all, unless a few guys celebrate together. Obviously... the players are not robots and unemotional. I am not against celebrating. I am glad that they allow it in college now. But, if Fran is at all serious about turning this team into champions, I think he should be teaching/coaching to celebrate TDs and good plays as a team... not with individuals calling attention to themselves. And, by all means... if a first down is in a game where you are down by 28 points... there is no "team-based" reason to celebrate. You should still be so embarassed by the current status of the game that no one good play can make up for it. Does this make sense? When we were upsetting Clemson, celebrating seemed right. When we are being blown out by Duke and SMU, there is nothing to celebrate at all. No good play is celebration worthy. "Who cares if we are losing, I just made a big play!!!"

1. The last 4 drives resulted in 2 TDs and 2 INTs. While that is better than the first 3 Qs, it still wasn't great.

2. Have we ever run a zone read with Nixon as OC? Seems like it would be an easy add. We need to use more variety in the running game and not just use inside zones. If those are mainly RPOs, then scratch the RPOs because they aren't working. Which would also help Collins because he doesn't have to make decisions. Simplify things.

3. Generally I have been fine with Fran's 4th down decisions. The problem IMO has been the horse shite calls. QB sneaks needing a yard and a half? Going to a tight formation vs spreading things out?


Being down early has been a trait for the last 19 games. We overcame that with McCord and Angeli. It is finally catching up with us.
 
Can’t wait for Pitt, should be entertaining regardless either through the game or these threads.
 
My takes:

#1. QB. Collins is the guy for Pitt. The reason why Collins gets the start for Pitt, for me, is that he showed a lot more decisiveness in the 4th quarter against SMU. Sure, SMU was playing softer. Angeli was 5 minutes away from us being 0-2 after Tennessee and UConn. Angeli turned the ball over against Tennessee to take us out of that game too, if you recall. For most of that game, it was never really in doubt that we were losing after Q1. And then UConn kind of went conservative on offense/defense in the 4th quarter too. But then Angeli seemed to really get it right those last 5 minutes. And then Colgate really refined his confidence. Rickie looked better the last 10 minutes against SMU.. .kind of parallel. The difference is that we were down 31-3 when that started against SMU, not down 17-6. I just thought he looked much more decisive. Forget about the results of the play. When he ran, he looked like a guy that knew it was right and proper to run. Gaining some confidence. Unlike Angeli, he does not get Colgate to really improve his confidence. But he does get a bye week. And then the pressure cooker that is Pitt. But I think he deserves a fair chance at start #3.

#2. OC. The offensive coordinator has to start doing things to help Rickie. And I think that is taking advantage of his mobility. I think his running game may help his passing game. If he becomes the type of QB that can extend drives with his legs, then so be it. Call plays that will take advantage of that. Let's face it. Rickie is in danger of losing his job... the NFL is not on the horizon. If we could call plays for Angeli to run and suffer a season-ending injury... given that Rickie is plainly faster and not as good at passing, I think we have to. Rickie's career needs to have Rickie winning some games... QUICKLY. If the backups are similar, then it makes sense to start morphing the offense in that direction anyway. As for passing plays, you cannot keep running the same plays that Angeli and McCord were running. We need to reinvent the wheel during this bye week to tailor it to what we have right now. Maybe more 2 WR sets than we would ever expect given our depth there.

3. Fran Brown. Really starting to question game/score management. I hate when coaches punt from the opponents 40 yard line. But there is a point where being aggressive is hurting a growing team. Against UConn, you had an Angeli that was still settling into his position as QB1 and we let the team fall behind and stay behind most of the game by not kicking FGs. I thought that maybe we just did not have a good kicker, but that does not seem to be the case. Against SMU, you had a Collins that was even farther behind Angeli at the same point, and we took points off the board AGAIN. We have taken 15+ points off the board this year and the only gain was that we made it up for it against UConn. We were closer to losing against UConn than we were winning against SMU. A TD would have been nice each time. It always is preferable. But, in the first half, I think you take the points every time. Especially with an offense that is struggling. Better to be up 3-0 and 6-0... than tied at 0-0. Next year, if Angeli is back and we are clicking on offense right out of the gate... fine. But when Angeli was struggling and Collins is struggling, I think we need to take the points to improve the team confidence.

My other criticizm is that I am very tired of seeing us down 24-3 and we make a first down... and our guys quickly jump to their feet to do some sort of demonstrative pointing and gesturing. That is bad enough when you are a really good team and winning. It has no place on a team that is being blown out. I see absolutely no DART in it at all, unless a few guys celebrate together. Obviously... the players are not robots and unemotional. I am not against celebrating. I am glad that they allow it in college now. But, if Fran is at all serious about turning this team into champions, I think he should be teaching/coaching to celebrate TDs and good plays as a team... not with individuals calling attention to themselves. And, by all means... if a first down is in a game where you are down by 28 points... there is no "team-based" reason to celebrate. You should still be so embarassed by the current status of the game that no one good play can make up for it. Does this make sense? When we were upsetting Clemson, celebrating seemed right. When we are being blown out by Duke and SMU, there is nothing to celebrate at all. No good play is celebration worthy. "Who cares if we are losing, I just made a big play!!!"
I have no problem going for it on 4th down. Playing aggressive is the smart play long term always..

Angeli was playing C plus quarterback before the end of the UConn game. Collins is playing at an grade level. Sure, Angeli looked suspect Tennessee, but that is the best team we have played and we still put up points after the first quarter.

In no way shape or form does Collins fourth quarter compare to any of Angeli's play. It's maddening that is even being discussed.
 
haha whats the change -- name carney the starter? and that's supposed to inspire people to come?

People are going to come or they're not. If its Rickie, Luke, Tom, Dick, or Harry
 
I have no problem going for it on 4th down. Playing aggressive is the smart play long term always..

Angeli was playing C plus quarterback before the end of the UConn game. Collins is playing at an grade level. Sure, Angeli looked suspect Tennessee, but that is the best team we have played and we still put up points after the first quarter.

In no way shape or form does Collins fourth quarter compare to any of Angeli's play. It's maddening that is even being discussed.
"It's maddening that is even being discussed." Ok, everyone will try to limit their opinions to your infallible ones.

I have no problem going for it on 4th down... in the right circumstances. Sometimes you have to know when it is a bad idea to come away empty. Tennessee settled for a FG against us in their first drive en route to a blowout. You don't always have to get a TD, especially if your trust your offense and defense. I think you almost always go up 3-0, regardless of your opponent. All the more so when your defense has already forced a punt.

"Playing aggressive is the smart play long term always." Then why even have a punter? Let's just always go for it. It is "always" the smart play.

Regardless, other than going for it on 4th down, what was the least bit aggressive about the end of that first drive? Was there a single play call from 1st down and goal on that was not in the Syracuse playbook before 1950? No play action? Nothing to take advantage of the speed/power of Willis or Collins' speed? We barely pushed Colgate around at the line of scrimmage in those situations. I think a play action bootleg to let Collins score a rushing TD would have dramatically changed the momentum for the team. What... too risky to put the ball in his hands? So much for being aggressive "always"...
 
"It's maddening that is even being discussed." Ok, everyone will try to limit their opinions to your infallible ones.

I have no problem going for it on 4th down... in the right circumstances. Sometimes you have to know when it is a bad idea to come away empty. Tennessee settled for a FG against us in their first drive en route to a blowout. You don't always have to get a TD, especially if your trust your offense and defense. I think you almost always go up 3-0, regardless of your opponent. All the more so when your defense has already forced a punt.

"Playing aggressive is the smart play long term always." Then why even have a punter? Let's just always go for it. It is "always" the smart play.

Regardless, other than going for it on 4th down, what was the least bit aggressive about the end of that first drive? Was there a single play call from 1st down and goal on that was not in the Syracuse playbook before 1950? No play action? Nothing to take advantage of the speed/power of Willis or Collins' speed? We barely pushed Colgate around at the line of scrimmage in those situations. I think a play action bootleg to let Collins score a rushing TD would have dramatically changed the momentum for the team. What... too risky to put the ball in his hands? So much for being aggressive "always"...
I’m sorry, I don’t see how Collins play has been anywhere close to Angeli’s against Tennessee. If Collins starts that game we probably score 3 points and have about 200 yards of total offense. The Collins running ability is more myth than reality. Tennessee was a favorite against us. We weren’t beating SMU kicking FG’s.
 
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In no way shape or form does Collins fourth quarter compare to any of Angeli's play.
Who says it has to? Most teams do not have a QB2 and QB3 that duplicates what QB1 would do. What video game even has that? It's great that Pitt's QB did well his first start... but that is also pretty rare. Look at how much the QBs are Texas, LSU, Clemson, Penn State,etc. are playing below average. Maybe LSU has just had a few great QBs and middling QB coaches... which is why Collins still has technical issues.

It is absurd to think that any QB2 or QB3 is going to equate to QB1. The point is that Fran has to give him some at least comparable time to get to what seems to be his ceiling for this year. It started clicking real good for Angeli after 112 minutes of being a starter. But maybe it takes Collins 200 minutes of starting QB time before it clicks. Maybe Fran is going to give him 1/2 of Pitt. Maybe his plan is to gradually increase Carney's practice PT shooting for a start for the UNC game, the next weak team on the schedule.

Conversely, what are you going to do if Carney sucks for 2 games... put in Williams? And then after 2 games, Belin?

Everyone says it cannot get worse. Few who have been fans for 20+ years is likely to agree with you. We had QBs that lost to Akron at home when healthy. We had QBs losing to 1 win Temple teams. Perry Patterson led Syracuse to 151 yards passing per game in 2005. Sadly, it was not all his fault, as the coaches were terrible. But the reality is that Collins is NOT even in the top 5 worst QB1/QB2 that I have seen in the past 25 years... and he is nowhere near his ceiling yet. His rating is higher than anyone on the 2007, 2008, and 2014 teams.

And let's not talk about the decade leading up to 1987. Collins current QB rating is 108.2. Don McPherson's QB rating in 1986 was 119.4. It was 168.4 in 1987. RJ Anderson had two years of 120, with an 89.7 in between. Todd Norley was below 100, but beat Nebraska. He lost to Rutgers 19-0 the week before. But, hey, we should have benched him because it cannot get any worse...
 
I’m sorry I don’t see how Collins play has been anywhere close to Angeli’s against Tennessee. If Collins starts that game we probably score 3 points and have about 200 yards of total offense. The Collins running ability is more myth than reality. Tennessee was a favorite against us. We weren’t beating SMU kicking FG’s.
17-0 after Q1
31-14 after Q2
38-20 after Q3
45-26 Final.

How did it go after halftime? Oh yeah, Angeli fumbled. Seemed like they could score at will and refrained from doing so to not give future opponents anything else to look at. They also were prevent on defense, which was great experience for Angeli. The point is that Angeli against Tennessee / UConn was not the Angeli against Colgate/ Clemson. Strangely, he seemed to... get better... as he got more PT. Who would have thought?

Collins does not have Angeli's clearly higher floor or perhaps, at this point, even as high a ceiling. But, like Angeli, he may get better as he gets more PT. If he stops getting better, Fran will stop giving him PT. But, as a coach, I trust him to pull the plug when he realizes it is proper considering everything.

And, as for beating SMU kicking FGs... nobody is saying try to win 15-14. But with an offense struggling to score, you cannot miss scoring opportunities that give you the lead. Duke fumbled 5 times against Illinois. Maybe Jennings sprains his ankle and they do not even up scoring much. What is wrong with taking 1 or 2 FGs???
 
17-0 after Q1
31-14 after Q2
38-20 after Q3
45-26 Final.

How did it go after halftime? Oh yeah, Angeli fumbled. Seemed like they could score at will and refrained from doing so to not give future opponents anything else to look at. They also were prevent on defense, which was great experience for Angeli. The point is that Angeli against Tennessee / UConn was not the Angeli against Colgate/ Clemson. Strangely, he seemed to... get better... as he got more PT. Who would have thought?

Collins does not have Angeli's clearly higher floor or perhaps, at this point, even as high a ceiling. But, like Angeli, he may get better as he gets more PT. If he stops getting better, Fran will stop giving him PT. But, as a coach, I trust him to pull the plug when he realizes it is proper considering everything.

And, as for beating SMU kicking FGs... nobody is saying try to win 15-14. But with an offense struggling to score, you cannot miss scoring opportunities that give you the lead. Duke fumbled 5 times against Illinois. Maybe Jennings sprains his ankle and they do not even up scoring much. What is wrong with taking 1 or 2 FGs???
I’m really not sure what games you have been watching. You’re giving credit to Collins scoring on a smu team in the 4th quarter that stopped playing cause they thought the game was over. Smu and duke are both bad teams. At this point the season is lost. Zero reason to not play carney to see what he has. Collins will not be back next year. If carney can’t do anything then they can move on from him also.
 
17-0 after Q1
31-14 after Q2
38-20 after Q3
45-26 Final.

How did it go after halftime? Oh yeah, Angeli fumbled. Seemed like they could score at will and refrained from doing so to not give future opponents anything else to look at. They also were prevent on defense, which was great experience for Angeli. The point is that Angeli against Tennessee / UConn was not the Angeli against Colgate/ Clemson. Strangely, he seemed to... get better... as he got more PT. Who would have thought?

Collins does not have Angeli's clearly higher floor or perhaps, at this point, even as high a ceiling. But, like Angeli, he may get better as he gets more PT. If he stops getting better, Fran will stop giving him PT. But, as a coach, I trust him to pull the plug when he realizes it is proper considering everything.

And, as for beating SMU kicking FGs... nobody is saying try to win 15-14. But with an offense struggling to score, you cannot miss scoring opportunities that give you the lead. Duke fumbled 5 times against Illinois. Maybe Jennings sprains his ankle and they do not even up scoring much. What is wrong with taking 1 or 2 FGs???
The game was 38-26 at one point and we stopped them. We were more competitive with them than we were against Duke or SMU and that’s with giving them a 17 point cushion to start.
 
Who says it has to? Most teams do not have a QB2 and QB3 that duplicates what QB1 would do. What video game even has that? It's great that Pitt's QB did well his first start... but that is also pretty rare. Look at how much the QBs are Texas, LSU, Clemson, Penn State,etc. are playing below average. Maybe LSU has just had a few great QBs and middling QB coaches... which is why Collins still has technical issues.

It is absurd to think that any QB2 or QB3 is going to equate to QB1. The point is that Fran has to give him some at least comparable time to get to what seems to be his ceiling for this year. It started clicking real good for Angeli after 112 minutes of being a starter. But maybe it takes Collins 200 minutes of starting QB time before it clicks. Maybe Fran is going to give him 1/2 of Pitt. Maybe his plan is to gradually increase Carney's practice PT shooting for a start for the UNC game, the next weak team on the schedule.

Conversely, what are you going to do if Carney sucks for 2 games... put in Williams? And then after 2 games, Belin?

Everyone says it cannot get worse. Few who have been fans for 20+ years is likely to agree with you. We had QBs that lost to Akron at home when healthy. We had QBs losing to 1 win Temple teams. Perry Patterson led Syracuse to 151 yards passing per game in 2005. Sadly, it was not all his fault, as the coaches were terrible. But the reality is that Collins is NOT even in the top 5 worst QB1/QB2 that I have seen in the past 25 years... and he is nowhere near his ceiling yet. His rating is higher than anyone on the 2007, 2008, and 2014 teams.

And let's not talk about the decade leading up to 1987. Collins current QB rating is 108.2. Don McPherson's QB rating in 1986 was 119.4. It was 168.4 in 1987. RJ Anderson had two years of 120, with an 89.7 in between. Todd Norley was below 100, but beat Nebraska. He lost to Rutgers 19-0 the week before. But, hey, we should have benched him because it cannot get any worse...

Hard to compare eras. IMO Collins is in a tight battle for worst SU QB in the last 11 seasons to get significant PT.
 
Hard to compare eras. IMO Collins is in a tight battle for worst SU QB in the last 11 seasons to get significant PT.
Agree. I’m assuming here that he has to be better at this point than carney. I want to
See him play For a few series but I believe Nixon and Fran are smart enough to see who gives them the better chance to win. If it’s Collins so be it. I’ll still be calling for carney but I have the faith in Fran and company. At no Time could I say that about Dino.
 
Don't pretend to speak for me. I'm using my tix and I will feast on the crow you will be serving when the offense performs with Rickie at QB.
I really don't like how quickly so many of you turn against people after two losses. You all must have been amazing 20 year olds.
You expect to eat crow? Looks like we agree!
 
Id argue we run at incredibly predictable times.

Example, I would bet i could count on two hands the number of times in the past 18 games the offense didn't run on 2nd after an incomplete pass on first
Really? When do you want to run it...on 3rd and 6? Or do you think we don't run it on fist down enough?

In regards to your comment after first down incompletions, with McCord there was not that many incompletions on first down. This season there has been more incompletions if they pass on first. But I would guess there has been a much higher percentage of plays than you think, where we may have gotten an incomplete on first and then passed again on second down as Nixon knows he has to after that.

The issues is we are not good at rushing and don't get many yards when we do it. Which means you can run on first down. You can run on second if you got 4 or more yards on first, which is not all that often when running the ball. On 3rd down we can run if we have 3 or less to go, and you still may have to go for it on 4th. You can throw a very occasional exception in there but that is about it. And you can't always run in those situations as that is too predictable. And then you get people saying Willis needs to get more carries. I don't think we should be running the ball that often if not efficient. But if you say he needs to get a higher percentage of the share than he is getting in comparison to the share Nixon is getting, i would say i agree a little bit. But Nixon is a bit better option in situations where its not a likely run, which is a large percentage of the plays, as we are not an efficient offense right now.

Our OL is big but not athletic, in general. There is no explosion happening. If you take Willis's numbers and subtract out his single longest run from each game, he is averaging 3.08 per carry. Even Rickie is averaging 6.3 yds/attempt passing. You can't sustain drives when rushing 3.08 yds per typical run. Hence why Nixon is passing it more often. Now i agree we could probably scheme the run game a little bit better, but from what I see, the OL is more of the problem.
 
Carney is no slouch based on high school and the fact he’s been on campus a few months. Has surpassed his fellow freshman Belien and Williams who has been on campus a couple years. He’s obviously doing something right. It was coaching malpractice he didn’t get in last game. It’s unfathomable if Fran doesn’t make the change after the bye. He’ll lose the team. The team has no faith they can win with Collins. It is so obvious
 
I’m really not sure what games you have been watching. You’re giving credit to Collins scoring on a smu team in the 4th quarter that stopped playing cause they thought the game was over. Smu and duke are both bad teams. At this point the season is lost. Zero reason to not play carney to see what he has. Collins will not be back next year. If carney can’t do anything then they can move on from him also.
How hard is this??? The issue is not comparing QB A to QB B. The issue is comparing QB X in Game 1 vs QB X late in Game 2.

However good or bad Angeli was against Tennessee... he was notably better at the end of Game 2... and certainly in games 3/4. Collins might have been far worse against Duke than Angeli against Tennessee and worse against SMU than Angeli was against UConn... but Collins looked better against SMU in Q4 than he did in Q1 against Duke. Much like Angeli looked better in Q4 against UConn than he did Q1 against Tennessee.

No matter how hard you try, you cannot make Collins play like Angeli. And no matter how hard you try, you cannot make Fran start Carney if Fran does not think Carney will either (a) do better than Collins; or (b) not cause more problems for the team as a whole than waiting one or more additional weeks.

Everyone needs to relax. Not every win means a playoff... not every loss means we are going winless. Fran Brown is recruiting in living rooms saying that I will work with your son and grow your son into a man... not abandon him after a few bad games to placate fans. That is what he is selling to make Syracuse different. If he says one thing and does another, then there is no recruiting advantage. If Collins STOPS improving at a level that is not satisfactory, I am confident he will be benched. And even if Carney is going to start against Pitt, do not be surprised if you do not find that out until gameday. So might as well prepare yourself for another game with Collins...
 

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