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Imagining Conferences

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July football is all about your imagination and I let mine run free on a subject that is a sore point with me: the geographical make-up of conferences and in particular Syracuse’s plight of being a sort of guest in a southern conference and stuck in a division with three national championship contenders. I’m also concerned about schools being thrown in with schools that have obviously greater resources and having a hard time competing with them. Conferences should be between schools that are natural geographical rivals, recruit in the same areas, have similar resources and problems. I’m not anticipating that what I describe will ever come to pass. I’m just imagining things as I think they should be.

The perfect size for a conference is nine teams: you play everybody once in football and twice in basketball with an equal number of home and away games. In my fantasy, the NCAA cancels all current conference affiliations and declares that every Division 1 football school must be in a nine team conference consisting of their most natural football rivals, based on location and type of school. Then everybody makes logical decisions based on my priorities, (like I say, this is a fantasy). What would the result look like?

I decided to create 12 nine team conferences, (108 schools). I dropped some schools that emerged from what is now FCS and would have a much better chance to compete for a championship there. A couple of those teams have been FBS for a while and even had a bit of success here but I needed to cut it down to 108 teams and somebody had to go. I didn’t attempt to give the leagues a name. I just numbered them 1 to 12 and thought about certain geographical areas. The last few stretch geographical boundaries a bit more as I was looking to find a place from certain schools. (There’s some duct tape on this.) The championship would, of course, be decided in a playoff. Ties would be broken by the head to head games, (and there would always be one). Three way ties could be decided by combined points in the three games. Then you got to in conference point differential, etc. etc. Then the 12 conference champions would be ranked by some method, (stats, polls or a combination of both). The eight lowest ranked champions would play in the first round at the field of the higher ranked team in early December. The eight remaining teams would be matched up in bowls. Then you get the Final four and then the championship game. Both would take place in one of the major bowl sites on an alternating basis.

1) Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut, Army, Navy, Rutgers, Temple, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

2) Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Clemson, South Carolina

3) Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, U of Miami, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State

4) Louisiana State, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Baylor

5) Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Kentucky, Tennessee

6) Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri

7) Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern California, UCLA, Hawaii (Hey, my brother teaches there!)

8) Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State, Brigham Young, Utah, Utah State, Arizona, Arizona State

9) Louisville, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, Southern Mississippi, Northwestern, Vanderbilt

10) New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State

11) Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, Miami U., Ohio U. Toledo, Western Michigan, Ball State, Northern Illinois (I had to drop out a couple teams to get to 9. Eastern Michigan hasn’t done much in football and I don’t like Central Michigan.)

12) Marshall, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida, Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice, SMU, Louisiana Tech


A month from now, we have to deal with reality. In July, we can just dream.
 
Might be ok for football, but the basketball program would never survive...
 
Syracuse, UMASS, UCONN, BC, Rutgers, Temple, PSU, PITT, Cincy, WVU, L'ville, Maryland. As for the rest of the country I don't care what they do.
 
Might be ok for football, but the basketball program would never survive...


Why not? All but Army and Navy have had good teams in the past, (even Rutgers made a Final Four in the 70's). UCONN would be our great rival.
 
The conference that you have Syracuse is in, in it's entirety, is just awful.


Well, we're pretty awful at the moment. And, again, most of those schools have had good teams in recent memory. And it's a conference we might actually win and get in the playoff.
 
Why not? All but Army and Navy have had good teams in the past, (even Rutgers made a Final Four in the 70's). UCONN would be our great rival.

UConn is barely surviving right now and Pitt/BC are on their death bed.

Basketball wise conferences 2-7 and 9 are all stronger.

We would have to schedule Duke, Nova, Lousville, Kansas, and Michigan State every year OOC just to have a decent strength of schedule.

To top that off you can forget ever being on ESPN/ABC or CBS.
 
I love playing the what-if game when it comes to conferences, particularly alternative realities re: northeast schools. Of course, I'm weird.

Here's a fascinating article in the NY Times from August 1990 that details the precarious situation the eastern independents were left in after PSU joined the B10.

FOOTBALL; Six Eastern Teams Set Out to Lose Their Independence

A few eerily prescient passages:

Try out this scenario as an example of the directors' dilemma. The Atlantic Coast Conference thinks it must expand to keep in step with its larger neighbor in the South, the powerful Southeastern Conference. The best direction for the A.C.C. to go is north and to invite some or all of the Eastern six to join its eight members to form a 12- or 14-team football league.

Twelve is an important total. A little-known regulation of the National Collegiate Athletic Association applies to football leagues of 12 or more teams. These leagues can divide into two divisions and conduct a league championship as an extra game, which would have considerable worth as an early-December television attraction.

Counting Arkansas, the S.E.C. will have 11 members and with Penn State the Big Ten will also have 11. The conjecture is that both will go to 12, the S.E.C. by adding either Florida State, Miami or South Carolina and the Big Ten by inviting Nebraska, currently a Big Eight titan. Or maybe Pitt. Or even West Virginia.

Several officials from the Eastern six believe that whatever Florida State chooses to do will have a ripple effect all the way from Miami to Boston.

If there ever was a hope of a cohesive, northeast-included, all-sports conference it was around this time in the early 90s when Jefferson Pilot (I believe, it was one of those TV syndication companies) floated the idea of a 16 team mega conference that spanned the east coast. IIRC, it would've included most of the indies that existed in the early 90s: Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, West Virginia, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, Southern Miss, and perhaps the service academies.

No one had the guts or vision to pull that off, but it would've been unreal.
 
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Your love for UMass is one of the funnier things going on here.
It harkins back to when I developed a team crush on Boise State when they were still in the WAC in the early 80's. It was fun watching them grow. I also admire UMASS for trying to go FBS on their own. If the idiots at UCONN had brought their program up in the beginning of BigEast football talks instead of sucking off Syracuse they wouldn't be relegated, which they deserve.
 
It harkins back to when I developed a team crush on Boise State when they were still in the WAC in the early 80's. It was fun watching them grow. I also admire UMASS for trying to go FBS on their own. If the idiots at UCONN had brought their program up in the beginning of BigEast football talks instead of sucking off Syracuse they wouldn't be relegated, which they deserve.

UMass should be mocked, not admired. Their move to FBS has been a colossal waste of time and money. Anyone who spent any time in Massachusetts knew it would fail. And it has failed spectacularly.
 
UMass should be mocked, not admired. Their move to FBS has been a colossal waste of time and money. Anyone who spent any time in Massachusetts knew it would fail. And it has failed spectacularly.
It hasn't failed yet. I remember when the Patriots were mocked in Massachusetts and they came around to being an OK NFL franchise.
 
It hasn't failed yet. I remember when the Patriots were mocked in Massachusetts and they came around to being an OK NFL franchise.

Yeah, they're doing fabulously. UMass attendance for their Gillette Stadium games was so pathetic that they've largely abandoned that deal. Meanwhile their games in Amherst averaged a whopping 12K per game last year.



umass.jpg
 
Yeah, they're doing fabulously. UMass attendance for their Gillette Stadium games was so pathetic that they've largely abandoned that deal. Meanwhile their games in Amherst averaged a whopping 12K per game last year.



umass.jpg
They have to win, no doubt about it. People like teams that win and go to their games.
 
They have to win, no doubt about it. People like teams that win and go to their games.

Theoretically. But UMass could go undefeated repeatedly and no one will care. Bay Staters don't care about college football, and UMass was so inept that they *left the MAC* to become independent. Their ceiling is to generate similar interest in Mass. as a mid-level Hockey East program.
 
We would flat out run that conference if it ever materialized.
 
Theoretically. But UMass could go undefeated repeatedly and no one will care. Bay Staters don't care about college football, and UMass was so inept that they *left the MAC* to become independent. Their ceiling is to generate similar interest in Mass. as a mid-level Hockey East program.
The opening game is against Hawaii at the McGuirk( As in t*ts McGuirk, a popular colloquialism from days gone by.). Should be an offensive shootout.
 
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Yeah, they're doing fabulously. UMass attendance for their Gillette Stadium games was so pathetic that they've largely abandoned that deal. Meanwhile their games in Amherst averaged a whopping 12K per game last year.



umass.jpg

It's like your trying to convince him that the Easter Bunny isn't real and he is asking you where do you think all those colored eggs come from.
 
It's like your trying to convince him that the Easter Bunny isn't real and he is asking you where do you think all those colored eggs come from.
I look at it like picking stocks or horses at the track. Umass is like an 80-1 shot, and I'm going to cash this ticket.
 
I look at it like picking stocks or horses at the track. Umass is like an 80-1 shot, and I'm going to cash this ticket.
I think you'll be out the amount of the bet. Let me know when UMass does something...ANYTHING. They are too late to the party. They have no support from anyone, except their administration (and barely that). My prediction is that in 5 years, they will give up the D1 experiment and head back to 1AA. No shame in that.
 
July football is all about your imagination and I let mine run free on a subject that is a sore point with me: the geographical make-up of conferences and in particular Syracuse’s plight of being a sort of guest in a southern conference and stuck in a division with three national championship contenders. I’m also concerned about schools being thrown in with schools that have obviously greater resources and having a hard time competing with them. Conferences should be between schools that are natural geographical rivals, recruit in the same areas, have similar resources and problems. I’m not anticipating that what I describe will ever come to pass. I’m just imagining things as I think they should be.

The perfect size for a conference is nine teams: you play everybody once in football and twice in basketball with an equal number of home and away games. In my fantasy, the NCAA cancels all current conference affiliations and declares that every Division 1 football school must be in a nine team conference consisting of their most natural football rivals, based on location and type of school. Then everybody makes logical decisions based on my priorities, (like I say, this is a fantasy). What would the result look like?

I decided to create 12 nine team conferences, (108 schools). I dropped some schools that emerged from what is now FCS and would have a much better chance to compete for a championship there. A couple of those teams have been FBS for a while and even had a bit of success here but I needed to cut it down to 108 teams and somebody had to go. I didn’t attempt to give the leagues a name. I just numbered them 1 to 12 and thought about certain geographical areas. The last few stretch geographical boundaries a bit more as I was looking to find a place from certain schools. (There’s some duct tape on this.) The championship would, of course, be decided in a playoff. Ties would be broken by the head to head games, (and there would always be one). Three way ties could be decided by combined points in the three games. Then you got to in conference point differential, etc. etc. Then the 12 conference champions would be ranked by some method, (stats, polls or a combination of both). The eight lowest ranked champions would play in the first round at the field of the higher ranked team in early December. The eight remaining teams would be matched up in bowls. Then you get the Final four and then the championship game. Both would take place in one of the major bowl sites on an alternating basis.

1) Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut, Army, Navy, Rutgers, Temple, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

2) Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Clemson, South Carolina

3) Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, U of Miami, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State

4) Louisiana State, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Baylor

5) Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Kentucky, Tennessee

6) Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri

7) Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern California, UCLA, Hawaii (Hey, my brother teaches there!)

8) Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State, Brigham Young, Utah, Utah State, Arizona, Arizona State

9) Louisville, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, Southern Mississippi, Northwestern, Vanderbilt

10) New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State

11) Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, Miami U., Ohio U. Toledo, Western Michigan, Ball State, Northern Illinois (I had to drop out a couple teams to get to 9. Eastern Michigan hasn’t done much in football and I don’t like Central Michigan.)

12) Marshall, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida, Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice, SMU, Louisiana Tech


A month from now, we have to deal with reality. In July, we can just dream.
#3 & #5--Miami and ND, as private schools, would not be too happy being lumped in with all of those mega state universities. Especially ND, with all of those hated B1G schools.

#9 N'western and Vandy would gag on the rest of the membership of that group.

Plus, the SU conference is weak, weak, weak.
 

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