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Message: [QUOTE="orange_in_VA, post: 2397147, member: 1356"] Took the average our offense scores and subtracted what our defense gives up for Shafer vs Babers. Shafer- 2013: Lost by average of 3 ppg 2014: Lost by average of 7 ppg 2015: Lost by average of 4 ppg Babers- 2016: Lost by average of 13 ppg 2017: Lost by average of 5 ppg This does seem to show that Babers teams kept games much closer in year two, which points to progress. Overall Shafer was more competitive though. I don't know why people have to hate Shafer to love Babers. Shafer deserved more time regardless of what a lot of people think of him here and Babers deserves more time even though the W-L aint pretty right now. The people that started calling everyone "Shafer apologists/lovers" are the same ones making excuses for Babers that weren't valid for Shafer apparently. [/QUOTE]