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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 2397234, member: 628"] The issue about the excuses is that Shafer and Babers were hired for different reasons and their tenure was/is being evaluated under different circumstances. Bayside keeps saying it but Shafer was expected to be a continuity hire. He was supposed to build on the four years of foundation that he and Marrone constructed. Unfortunately he regressed. I gave Shafer a lot of credit for going 7-6 in his first season, particularly because we lost Nassib/Lemon/Sales/Pugh from the '12 team. But things got worse from there and recruiting sure didn't seem to improve. Babers took over in a rebuild mode. I will agree that in about 18 months Babers sheds the rebuild excuses and needs to stand entirely on his own. [/QUOTE]