Interesting 2012 NBA Mock Draft

[Shermthegeneral]

I'm very skeptical of Waiters making a big impact in the NBA. I just don't see it personally. He has the body, but he's still a little undersized for his position, has poor shooting form, doesn't shoot well anyway, and doesn't seem to have that great of a basketball IQ in my opinion, he's been forcing his game the past 5 or 6 games now and he's looked pretty bad in the vast majority of them.

Wow! doesn't have great bball IQ? what qualifies you to say this and how is your bball IQ? I started playing basketball at the age of 3, played organized bball into college and my father was a high school bball coach for 20 years. In my opinion, Dion has great bball IQ and great floor vision! Just because he's a showboat doesn't mean he doesn't have great bball IQ! The way Dion found CJ on the block after he ran his defender off a screen was a great play and a hi bball IQ play!

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Fab ends up being a lotto pick. Dion's at about the right spot. Joseph is at about the right spot, too.

Scoop might sneak in late in the 2nd round, depending 0n how well he plays the rest of the way.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

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LOL- yeah a 6-3 2 guard who has a questionable jump shot, perfect for the NBA, Do people not watch the NBA? Good lord

Dion for sure is an NBA player, watch it every night just about, and he can get to the rim and has a good enough stroke where he can develop it to be enough of a weapon so you can't cheat on him.

Lebron, Wade, Rondo, Tony Parker, John Wall, Tyreke Evans, are just a few top 30 scorers in the league who are not known for their outside shooting games.

I dunno, obviuosly Waiters isn't a sniper as a shooter but he isn't like Rondo or Wall and I feel comfortable when he puts up a three

 

[Melancer46]

Wow! doesn't have great bball IQ? what qualifies you to say this and how is your bball IQ? I started playing basketball at the age of 3, played organized bball into college and my father was a high school bball coach for 20 years. In my opinion, Dion has great bball IQ and great floor vision! Just because he's a showboat doesn't mean he doesn't have great bball IQ! The way Dion found CJ on the block after he ran his defender off a screen was a great play and a hi bball IQ play!

Well if he does have high basketball IQ, it appears that he just chooses to ignore making the right plays lol. Regardless, he's been making worse decisions than Scoop used to lately. One or two good passes in a game doesn't equal high basketball IQ. Those are plays that he should be making every time, but he routinely ignores the right play so that he can try to be the man.

And I don't think there's really any point in me talking about my basketball IQ because obviously there's no way to actually prove anything regarding that.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

Well if he does have high basketball IQ, it appears that he just chooses to ignore making the right plays lol. Regardless, he's been making worse decisions than Scoop used to lately. One or two good passes in a game doesn't equal high basketball IQ. Those are plays that he should be making every time, but he routinely ignores the right play so that he can try to be the man.

And I don't think there's really any point in me talking about my basketball IQ because obviously there's no way to actually prove anything regarding that.

just to play devils advocate and because I don't necessarily agree, any examples of him ignoring the right play and trying to be the man come to mind? or is it more of a preconception?

 

[Melancer46]

just to play devils advocate and because I don't necessarily agree, any examples of him ignoring the right play and trying to be the man come to mind? or is it more of a preconception?

Probably the majority of his shots since Fab went out have been forced, but the biggest example was in the Georgetown game when Joseph was as wide open as it gets for a buzzer beater and Waiters completely ignored him to take a fadeaway 3 pointer instead. But he's been seriously forcing things ever since Fab went out. Not exactly sure why, but it's been extremely frustrating to watch.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

He was probably told by JB to take the ball to the hole and it was designed for him to take the shot, G'town did a good job and instead of make a pass that gets picked off and gives them a shot to win he put up a 50/50 three that hit the rim at the buzzer, not a good situation to show him forcing it.

On two on ones he does tend to not pass but thats because he has the I am either scoring or getting fouled mentality and its usually not wrong.

I don't think its forcing it or being selfish, just a matter of the shots not going in which they will or he sits, easy enough, and a good player in the pros has Dion's mentality, where he feels like he can score every play

I'd rather have that than a player with all the talent in the world afraid to utilize it

 

[Melancer46]

He was probably told by JB to take the ball to the hole and it was designed for him to take the shot, G'town did a good job and instead of make a pass that gets picked off and gives them a shot to win he put up a 50/50 three that hit the rim at the buzzer, not a good situation to show him forcing it.

On two on ones he does tend to not pass but thats because he has the I am either scoring or getting fouled mentality and its usually not wrong.

I don't think its forcing it or being selfish, just a matter of the shots not going in which they will or he sits, easy enough, and a good player in the pros has Dion's mentality, where he feels like he can score every play

I'd rather have that than a player with all the talent in the world afraid to utilize it

I have no problem with him taking it to the rack on 2 on 1's, but there's literally a zero percent chance that passing it to Joseph in that Georgetown game could have resulted in an interception. There was literally nobody even remotely close to Joseph, and you would think when a guy has scored almost half of our points, you would maybe give him a chance to shoot a wide open shot to win the game instead of throwing up a complete BS shot that never had a chance.

Waiters has been settling for jumpers way too much since Fab went out, and his jumpshot flat out isn't very good. He's excellent at dribble drive penetration, but as far as his jumpshot goes, he's probably the worst on the team compared to the other guards. There's no reason he should be settling for 3's with a guy right in his face, or fadeaway jumpers with plenty of time left on the shot clock. And regardless of whether or not that's the mentality you have to have to be a scorer in the NBA, his jumpshot is not good enough right now for that to be a smart play.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

LOL- yeah a 6-3 2 guard who has a questionable jump shot, perfect for the NBA, Do people not watch the NBA? Good lord

Dion's a PG in the NBA.

 

[Oakland]

if Dion isnt a lottery pick, a bunch of teams need new talent scouts

What position do you think Dion will play?

 

[Garbs]

Probably the majority of his shots since Fab went out have been forced, but the biggest example was in the Georgetown game when Joseph was as wide open as it gets for a buzzer beater and Waiters completely ignored him to take a fadeaway 3 pointer instead. But he's been seriously forcing things ever since Fab went out. Not exactly sure why, but it's been extremely frustrating to watch.

Waiters said in the post game he did not see him, you cannot blame him for scoops mistake, he wasn't expecting that pass and then realized he had to shoot it, next

 

[Melancer46]

Waiters said in the post game he did not see him, you cannot blame him for scoops mistake, he wasn't expecting that pass and then realized he had to shoot it, next

That's a basic basketball play to make the pass to set up a "one-more" pass. You're taught that from the time you're like 10 years old. And Waiters' apparent lack of court awareness doesn't help the high basketball IQ argument. When is not knowing where your hottest hand is on the court a legitimate excuse to force a god awful shot?

Edit: Not to mention Waiters wrist-rolled and looked in Joseph's direction on that last play before deciding to jack up an awful shot.

 

[TinyManInside]

If Fab leaves...I'd love to see him get picked by the Heat, perfect piece for the Heat and landing spot for him.

No way he lasts that long in the draft.

 

[TinyManInside]

That's a basic basketball play to make the pass to set up a "one-more" pass. You're taught that from the time you're like 10 years old. And Waiters' apparent lack of court awareness doesn't help the high basketball IQ argument. When is not knowing where your hottest hand is on the court a legitimate excuse to force a god awful shot?

Edit: Not to mention Waiters wrist-rolled and looked in Joseph's direction on that last play before deciding to jack up an awful shot.

agree. that was a really horrific play by Waiters to not get the ball to joseph in that situation, especially given the fact that KJ was the only guy on the team who could hit a shot outside of 4 feet that game.

 

[Garbs]

That's a basic basketball play to make the pass to set up a "one-more" pass. You're taught that from the time you're like 10 years old. And Waiters' apparent lack of court awareness doesn't help the high basketball IQ argument. When is not knowing where your hottest hand is on the court a legitimate excuse to force a god awful shot?

where are you from? because I was never taught to drive into the lane out of control and throw the ball over my head(not looking) and expect the guy behind me to find the open shooter in the last 2 seconds

 

[Melancer46]

where are you from? because I was never taught to drive into the lane out of control and throw the ball over my head(not looking) and expect the guy behind me to find the open shooter in the last 2 seconds

He saw the defense collapse and made the kick out to Waiters who could have made the extra pass to Joseph but like someone else said, Waiters made the selfish play instead of the smart, high basketball IQ play.

Edit: And regardless, even if Scoop just got lucky (which I honestly don't think he did, but let's say he did), Waiters still had a chance to make the extra pass that you're taught to make and should have been second nature for him. Instead, he tried to be the hero. And he was awful for the vast majority of that game.