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Is Daryl 'visionary,' or is he 'stealing football games' from local fans?
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All4SU
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#1 - If you are not a season ticket holder, you have no business bitching -- or a right to do so. If the Dome was sold out every game this would not be an issue.
#2 - A huge percentage of SU's alumni are in the NYC metro area. SU is reaching out to them.
#3 - If you're just a local who doesn't really go to games often, and just likes to bitch, already.
#2 - A huge percentage of SU's alumni are in the NYC metro area. SU is reaching out to them.
#3 - If you're just a local who doesn't really go to games often, and just likes to bitch, already.
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I don't think the local fans know how lucky they are to be in close proximity to the Dome. I can't wait for this season to get started: USC, a trip up to Syracuse for Northwestern, @ Rutgers, @ Temple and a trip for one of Mizzou, USF or Minnesota. I get to watch SU football five times this year and possibly five losses and again, I can't wait.
Local fans get that many games and more every year and starting in 2013 they're going to have amazing home schedules. And yet, they complain.
Local fans get that many games and more every year and starting in 2013 they're going to have amazing home schedules. And yet, they complain.
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So that ACC schedule brought in doesn't count right? It strikes me as odd that people don't realize that the deal we have with the kickoff classic at MetLife was a big plus in getting us to the ACC. They want to build up the NYC market as much as possible, and the only way you do that is by playing big name opponents down there.
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I believe that is why bevosu's answer is correct. TGD is both a visionary and as a part of bringing that vision to a reality, some football games were "stolen" from the locals. I don't think that is value judgment on TGD, only a factual answer.
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he is doing what he needs to do, until we are highly competitive. the only thing you can count on from the syracuse fan base is constant complaining and no shows.they will only show up if we win, and even then,sparingly.just the way it is. gross needs to raise money we all know that. what he is doing is quite necessary as it cannot be done in cny alone. i also think that most of the bitching comes from folks who never go to games and just like to bitch because, that's what most syracusans do, or the fan that goes to one high profile game a year and feels entitled. i am a sth,so big deal,i am trying to stay focussed on a bigger picture ----for the time being.----
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I understand why he's doing it. I'd even be in favor of it, if it wasn't the premier OOC games every year, that is.
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You are a little better looking than I imagined, All4SU ...not that i spend a lot of time imagining what you are like.
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I understand why its being done but as I have said before the fact that it is a "Home" game and not on your season tickets means its not a "Home" game. It is a neutral site game, or as Ken Pomeroy likes to call it a "semi" home game. The basketball team plays Temple in NYC this year and that is not advertised as a "Home" game (I realize its part of a tournament), its advertised as a neutral site game. I think if Gross had said we are going to play 1 neutral site game a year it would have had a lot less backlash. There is nothing wrong with neutral site games, a high number of teams play them every year, heck Syracuse did it twice in 5 years playing Wisconsin in the Pigskin Classic at the old Meadowlands in 1997 and in 2001 playing Georgia Tech in the same place. The problem that fans are having with it is they keep calling it a home game. IT'S NOT A HOME GAME.
The other problem is as has been stated before Syracuse continues to drive the costs up which is fine when you are Alabama, LSU, Michigan or Ohio State and put out a perennial winner. It's not as good when you are Syracuse and put out a bowl team every five years. Jacking up season tickets and charging more for a ticket to "Home" game that is played four hours away is no way to endear yourself to the fan base. I always hear Syracuse fans compare the prices to other schools and say it's a bargain which may be true in terms of dollars and cents but why would I spend a couple hundred bucks for decent tickets to watch a lousy product. The reality is they can't fill the dome because the product does not match the ticket price.
The other problem is as has been stated before Syracuse continues to drive the costs up which is fine when you are Alabama, LSU, Michigan or Ohio State and put out a perennial winner. It's not as good when you are Syracuse and put out a bowl team every five years. Jacking up season tickets and charging more for a ticket to "Home" game that is played four hours away is no way to endear yourself to the fan base. I always hear Syracuse fans compare the prices to other schools and say it's a bargain which may be true in terms of dollars and cents but why would I spend a couple hundred bucks for decent tickets to watch a lousy product. The reality is they can't fill the dome because the product does not match the ticket price.
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he is doing what he needs to do, until we are highly competitive. the only thing you can count on from the syracuse fan base is constant complaining and no shows.they will only show up if we win, and even then,sparingly.just the way it is. gross needs to raise money we all know that. what he is doing is quite necessary as it cannot be done in cny alone. i also think that most of the bitching comes from folks who never go to games and just like to bitch because, that's what most syracusans do, or the fan that goes to one high profile game a year and feels entitled. i am a sth,so big deal,i am trying to stay focussed on a bigger picture ----for the time being.----
Why do you assume that the no-shows are the ones doing the complaining? How do you know it's not those 25-30K fans who show up every game every season year after year?
I personally don't have much of a problem with the NYC campaign because I think long-term it's for the betterment of the program. But I don't blame fans at all for voicing their concern and/or complaints about missing out on huge home games against powerhouse opponents.
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That's not the problem fans are having with it. That's beyond silly.
Calling it a "home" game is a harmless way of furthering their New York's College Team marketing campaign. No one is bent out of shape about that (at least I hope not - that would add more fuel to the "Syracusans just like to whine" fire).
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When you live in one of the most expensive states in the country, prices tend to be higher. The tickets are already lower than the rest of the comparable schools, the prices are lower than than other schools, I've heard we are the only school that serves alcohol, and we're doing this in a start that has a tax for everything not even mentioning the higher costs. No one is calling this a home game, at least not from anything that I have heard. You people literally will not let this go and it's getting pretty ridiculous. Who gives a about moving your best OOC game to one of the nicest facilities in the country that just so happens to be in the media capital of the world where our major alumni base is?!!!!! You will get your six games that will consist of five BCS teams including either FSU. This crap is getting old. Gross is an absolute genius, and the fan base treats him like for the most part, unreal.
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because i was born and raised in syracuse,visit my family there often,have many friends that do not go to games and bitch constantly anyway,know that syracuse folks always have a glass half empty mentality,they dump on their own constantly and do not see the many advantages and beauty in upstate ny,poor self image,etc.etc
i believe several studies have been done re:the self image of syracuse that bears this out. i said most not all. i love upstate and fail to comprehend the negativity that permeates. as my son said to me many years ago re su football--why are the fans here so surely? i will hazzard another guess--many of the complainers about su also complain about everything else---and have never lived anywhere else but syracuse----the world stopped at the city limits----had they been elsewhere they would have a greater appreciation for upstate ny and what it offers
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Ugh, you should try Utica. I grew up just outside of it, and that place is unbelievably pessimistic. All the bright students seem to leave the area and never come back leaving all the trash behind Oh Lord
I agree. I actually doubt many people even realize they're calling it a home game. And, since we're discussing this pointless issue, playing SC in NYC -- an entire country away from their home -- certainly would appear to make us the "home" team.
I think there are a few points that are inarguable about this
1) SU needs to raise it's profile on the football side. I know marketing is about as far from an exact science as it gets, but still, playing a team that seems to reside in the top 5 every year in a massive media market can't hurt these efforts. Right? Is there any possible logic otherwise?
2) Four hours is nothing. I love that people bitch about this drive as if the game was moved from the Cuse to Cali. This is in NYC which, if you are unaware, is generally regarded as a mildly entertaining place to visit. This is a chance to get out of the cuse for a weekend, have fun in NYC and see a game against a top team. Christ, it's not that difficult. There are a massive number of ND fans who travel from Chicago (2 hrs) EVERY SINGLE WEEK and haven't missed a home game in decades. I drove 4.5 hrs for work yesterday and will do it again today. I know it's not next door but the idea that this game isn't exceedingly accessible to local fans is absolutely absurd.
3) Fans aren't being charged for it and are not being robbed of a thing. SU is charging more money for the ticket b/c it's a premium game. That's supply and demand and the school would be stupid to treat it as simply another home game. If you don't want to go, you don't have to. But no one is owed a thing. You may be a die hard who hasn't missed a Dome game in 20 years, but that doesn't change the fact that that place -- which is only 50K by the way -- is usually at about 65% capacity. That the athletic department is looking for a little boost shouldn't be a shock.
And finally, one point that can be argued but I still believe it:
4) The Dome is a terrible venue. I'm sure some will hate me for this thing, but that concrete tomb plays more like a mausoleum than a football stadium most Saturdays. The game-day atmosphere and tailgating is blah, the stadium is blah, the fans are pretty blah, and it's usually an uncomfortable temperature despite being indoors and named for a company specializing in climate control. The hoops team rescues it a bit by being ranked all year and playing the best teams in the country but it's still not great for hoops. I remember Mike Wilbon telling me it was his least favorite venue in the country for hoops. I think he used the phrase "dilapidated airport hangar." Some may feel much less strongly than I do, but I do think people need to realize that the Dome is not exactly an ideal set-up in which to build a championship football team.
1) SU needs to raise it's profile on the football side. I know marketing is about as far from an exact science as it gets, but still, playing a team that seems to reside in the top 5 every year in a massive media market can't hurt these efforts. Right? Is there any possible logic otherwise?
2) Four hours is nothing. I love that people bitch about this drive as if the game was moved from the Cuse to Cali. This is in NYC which, if you are unaware, is generally regarded as a mildly entertaining place to visit. This is a chance to get out of the cuse for a weekend, have fun in NYC and see a game against a top team. Christ, it's not that difficult. There are a massive number of ND fans who travel from Chicago (2 hrs) EVERY SINGLE WEEK and haven't missed a home game in decades. I drove 4.5 hrs for work yesterday and will do it again today. I know it's not next door but the idea that this game isn't exceedingly accessible to local fans is absolutely absurd.
3) Fans aren't being charged for it and are not being robbed of a thing. SU is charging more money for the ticket b/c it's a premium game. That's supply and demand and the school would be stupid to treat it as simply another home game. If you don't want to go, you don't have to. But no one is owed a thing. You may be a die hard who hasn't missed a Dome game in 20 years, but that doesn't change the fact that that place -- which is only 50K by the way -- is usually at about 65% capacity. That the athletic department is looking for a little boost shouldn't be a shock.
And finally, one point that can be argued but I still believe it:
4) The Dome is a terrible venue. I'm sure some will hate me for this thing, but that concrete tomb plays more like a mausoleum than a football stadium most Saturdays. The game-day atmosphere and tailgating is blah, the stadium is blah, the fans are pretty blah, and it's usually an uncomfortable temperature despite being indoors and named for a company specializing in climate control. The hoops team rescues it a bit by being ranked all year and playing the best teams in the country but it's still not great for hoops. I remember Mike Wilbon telling me it was his least favorite venue in the country for hoops. I think he used the phrase "dilapidated airport hangar." Some may feel much less strongly than I do, but I do think people need to realize that the Dome is not exactly an ideal set-up in which to build a championship football team.
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Note to self: never recommend billsin01 for Syracuse Football Recruiting Coordinator.
The Dome is great. For both football and hoops. Michael Wilbon is not only a dope, but a Big Ten honk. Who cares what he says?
The atmosphere is no fault of the Dome's. In the late 80's and early 90's, there were few places better. It stinks now because the team stinks.
What college football stadiums that host teams with comparable seasons to Syracuse over the last 10 years are better? Every outdoor stadium is the same as all the rest. The Dome is at least original.
LOL. No, I don't think I'll ever be named recruiting coordinator. Don't get me started on pandering to cocky, spoiled 16-year-old kids
I generally agree, I've had some good times at the dome, don't get me wrong. And the fact that they sell beer is outstanding.
I just think it's a huge bummer that you walk in on a beautiful Saturday afternoon in October and it's slighlty stuffy and stale inside. And winning games makes almost any venue passable. I don't expect people to agree with my sentiment, but even if almost all are much higher on the dome than I am, the opportunity to watch a game in a cool facility in NYC hardly seems like a punishment.
Edit: And Wilbon is a dope. I just don't think he had an axe to grind -- just figured it was an interesting opinion from someone who has been to a million facilities.
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Here, here. Two years ago I sat next to a member of Rutger's support staff. This person could not stop raving about the Dome. They could not get over how close to the field the seats were and commented there isn't a bad seat in here.
1) SU needs to raise it's profile on the football side. lol. it appears to be hurting home attendance. not seeing the win/win in this move. unless they want to only play games where alumni live.
2) Four hours is nothing. 2 points on this one. 1) You say 4 hours is nothing and then compare it to a 2hr drive. That's a 50% difference. 2) when you add 8 hours of driving. thats a huge commitment. plus your talking to people who leave games early so they can beat the traffic. know your audience.
3) Fans aren't being charged for it and are not being robbed of a thing. syracuse people love the big games. this is not a one time thing. its the best games forever. let me say that again. locals LOVE the big games. so naturally they are unhappy.
In a world where people are increasingly questioning where they spend their money. This really sends a bad message to the locals. Why should they support your degrees by going to the games when they get dumped on.
2) Four hours is nothing. 2 points on this one. 1) You say 4 hours is nothing and then compare it to a 2hr drive. That's a 50% difference. 2) when you add 8 hours of driving. thats a huge commitment. plus your talking to people who leave games early so they can beat the traffic. know your audience.
3) Fans aren't being charged for it and are not being robbed of a thing. syracuse people love the big games. this is not a one time thing. its the best games forever. let me say that again. locals LOVE the big games. so naturally they are unhappy.
In a world where people are increasingly questioning where they spend their money. This really sends a bad message to the locals. Why should they support your degrees by going to the games when they get dumped on.
