Is HCSS going to end up like Frank Spaziani?

[Alsacs]

Spaziani took over Boston College in December 2008 after serving as the Defensive Coordinator. He was a popular pick by the players.
2009 Boston College went 8-5
2010 Boston College went 7-6
2011 Boston College went 4-8
2012 Boston College went 2-10

I hope HCSS turns it around next year but he needs 6 wins or his tenure as HC should be over. Spaz was a good D-Coordinator but wasn't great as a HC. I really hope HCSS turns it around but we need a bowl next year.

 

[dasher]

Bill Parcells was 3-12 in his first year with the Giants. I know people that wanted him fired. Bill B. was fired by the Browns. Sometimes you have to be patient. Sometimes it works out, sometimes of course it doesn't. Any coach deserves 4 years to get his players in the program. Would you keep this coach...
year 1 4-6-1
year 2 2-9
year 3 6-5
year 4 6-5
year 5 7-5
year 6 5-6

Nothing special. That was coach Mac. In what year would you have fired him? My guess is year 6. Possibly year 2 In case you weren't around, there was a sack mac movement.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Bill Parcells was 3-12 in his first year with the Giants. I know people that wanted him fired. Bill B. was fired by the Browns. Sometimes you have to be patient. Sometimes it works out, sometimes of course it doesn't. Any coach deserves 4 years to get his players in the program. Would you keep this coach...
year 1 4-6-1
year 2 2-9
year 3 6-5
year 4 6-5
year 5 7-5
year 6 5-6

Nothing special. That was coach Mac. In what year would you have fired him? My guess is year 6. Possibly year 2 In case you weren't around, there was a sack mac movement.

I certainly was around to enjoy the resurgence under Coach Mac. What I don't recall is whether there were other indications that the program had turned the corner. Had recruiting picked up noticeably? I would think it had to have picked up other wise the following years wouldn't have been as successful as they were. Anybody know? I don't see next year's class as being that clear an indication that recruiting has picked up.

 

[dasher]

I certainly was around to enjoy the resurgence under Coach Mac. What I don't recall is whether there were other indications that the program had turned the corner. Had recruiting picked up noticeably? I would think it had to have picked up other wise the following years wouldn't have been as successful as they were. Anybody know? I don't see next year's class as being that clear an indication that recruiting has picked up.

Recruiting was about the same. A lot of guys were better than they were rated. Like Moose Johnston.

 

[Alsacs]

Bill Parcells was 3-12 in his first year with the Giants. I know people that wanted him fired. Bill B. was fired by the Browns. Sometimes you have to be patient. Sometimes it works out, sometimes of course it doesn't. Any coach deserves 4 years to get his players in the program. Would you keep this coach...
year 1 4-6-1
year 2 2-9
year 3 6-5
year 4 6-5
year 5 7-5
year 6 5-6

Nothing special. That was coach Mac. In what year would you have fired him? My guess is year 6. Possibly year 2 In case you weren't around, there was a sack mac movement.

For the love of goodness gracious please do not compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. College Football changed in 1984 when the lawsuit against the NCAA gave all the TV money to the schools and not the NCAA. College FB was not the big time money making business back then. C'mon Dasher you blame the talent yesterday now want to compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. Back in the 1980s we could get players out of NJ nowadays we can't. Scott Shafer is HELL out of a lot closer Frank Spaziani than Coach Mac.

 

[dasher]

For the love of goodness gracious please do not compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. College Football changed in 1984 when the lawsuit against the NCAA gave all the TV money to the schools and not the NCAA. College FB was not the big time money making business back then. C'mon Dasher you blame the talent yesterday now want to compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. Back in the 1980s we could get players out of NJ nowadays we can't. Scott Shafer is HELL out of a lot closer Frank Spaziani than Coach Mac.

For God's sake, after two years, no one thought much of Mac. Really after 6 years. And I didn't compare anyone to anyone. I gave his record. And Mac never had a schedule like SS or P for that matter had.

 

[TheCusian]

For the love of goodness gracious please do not compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. College Football changed in 1984 when the lawsuit against the NCAA gave all the TV money to the schools and not the NCAA. College FB was not the big time money making business back then. C'mon Dasher you blame the talent yesterday now want to compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. Back in the 1980s we could get players out of NJ nowadays we can't. Scott Shafer is HELL out of a lot closer Frank Spaziani than Coach Mac.

We are getting kids out of NJ. And just about every Syracuse coach started with a mediocre winning percentage. Some got better, some got a lot better, and some failed. It's too early to tell with Shafer.

 

[CanadianSU]

Agree 6 wins is a must or we move on to PJ fleck.

 

[Crusty]

For the love of goodness gracious please do not compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. College Football changed in 1984 when the lawsuit against the NCAA gave all the TV money to the schools and not the NCAA. College FB was not the big time money making business back then. C'mon Dasher you blame the talent yesterday now want to compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. Back in the 1980s we could get players out of NJ nowadays we can't. Scott Shafer is HELL out of a lot closer Frank Spaziani than Coach Mac.

THAT is just your opinion and not fact. The fact is that nobody really knows yet.

 

[SWC75]

HCSS could wind up like any number of coaches. We've got to find out which one before we make a decision on him.

 

[Millhouse]

Bill Parcells was 3-12 in his first year with the Giants. I know people that wanted him fired. Bill B. was fired by the Browns. Sometimes you have to be patient. Sometimes it works out, sometimes of course it doesn't. Any coach deserves 4 years to get his players in the program. Would you keep this coach... year 1 4-6-1 year 2 2-9 year 3 6-5 year 4 6-5 year 5 7-5 year 6 5-6 Nothing special. That was coach Mac. In what year would you have fired him? My guess is year 6. Possibly year 2 In case you weren't around, there was a sack mac movement.

Shafer needs to start spying. Worked for parcells and belichick

 

[Libero2]

For the love of goodness gracious please do not compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. College Football changed in 1984 when the lawsuit against the NCAA gave all the TV money to the schools and not the NCAA. College FB was not the big time money making business back then. C'mon Dasher you blame the talent yesterday now want to compare Scott Shafer to Coach Mac. Back in the 1980s we could get players out of NJ nowadays we can't. Scott Shafer is HELL out of a lot closer Frank Spaziani than Coach Mac.

After his first season in NE Bellicheck was considered to be more Rich Kotite than Bill Parcells. Heck he was on his way to another 5-11 season when Brady came in and saved his butt. Bellicheck went on to 5 SBs and 3 rings.

You just don't know this early, all you can do is give him time and monitor certain key factors, recruiting, play in games (are they close or blowouts?), are we competitive against teams clearly better than us?, playing hard or mailing it in? Coaches as motivators are hugely important.

 

[Alsacs]

After his first season in NE Bellicheck was considered to be more Rich Kotite than Bill Parcells. Heck he was on his way to another 5-11 season when Brady came in and saved his butt. Bellicheck went on to 5 SBs and 3 rings.

You just don't know this early, all you can do is give him time and monitor certain key factors, recruiting, play in games (are they close or blowouts?), are we competitive against teams clearly better than us?, playing hard or mailing it in? Coaches as motivators are hugely important.

LOL I am a diehard Pats nobody thought Belichick was Rich Kotite. Robert Kraft gave up a first round pick for BB. Horrible comparison Pats felt he would get them back to the level Parcells had them which was competitive and BB took Richard Seymour over David Terrell during his first draft he showed the fanbase he didn't care what they wanted and he knew what he was doing.

I hate how people want to hedge on Scott Shafer either say you think he is a P5 level HC or admit the people calling him over his head. Posts like this and Dasher's come off like you want to have it both ways for when he sucks. Have whatever opinion you want but I don't throw stuff of there without legit reasoning.

Also to Dasher you were the person yesterday trying to blame talent it was YOUR opinion even though many people disagreed with you none of the facts that were brought up changed your mind.

 

[Crusty]

LOL I am a diehard Pats nobody thought Belichick was Rich Kotite. Robert Kraft gave up a first round pick for BB. Horrible comparison Pats felt he would get them back to the level Parcells had them which was competitive and BB took Richard Seymour over David Terrell during his first draft he showed the fanbase he didn't care what they wanted and he knew what he was doing.

I hate how people want to hedge on Scott Shafer either say you think he is a P5 level HC or admit the people calling him over his head. Posts like this and Dasher's come off like you want to have it both ways for when he sucks. Have whatever opinion you want but I don't throw stuff of there without legit reasoning.

Also to Dasher you were the person yesterday trying to blame talent it was YOUR opinion even though many people disagreed with you none of the facts that were brought up changed your mind.

You are entitled to form your opinion whenever you like and so are the rest of us. Some of us need more data points. If you want to jump to a conclusion with all the injuries and only his second recruiting class, go right ahead. I prefer not to have a knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Alsacs]

You are entitled to form your opinion whenever you like and so are the rest of us. Some of us need more data points. If you want to jump to a conclusion with all the injuries and only his second recruiting class, go right ahead. I prefer not to have a knee-jerk reaction.

Fair enough. I had no problem with anything you said. I didn't like how Dasher has his thread yesterday and people disagree with him and nobody told him his opinion was any better, but now he wants to come off like anyone questioning Scott Shafer is being ridiculous.

He/She or anybody can think whatever they wants on the talent of this roster while other people can question Scott Shafer's ability to be a HC for a P5 team. I don't like when someone wants to make it appear just because they are positive or drink the kool aid it makes their opinion any better. I don't care if everyone disagrees with what I say as my opinions are not extreme whether you agree or disagree.

 

[Crusty]

Fair enough. I had no problem with anything you said. I didn't like how Dasher has his thread yesterday and people disagree with him and nobody told him his opinion was any better, but now he wants to come off like anyone questioning Scott Shafer is being ridiculous.

He/She or anybody can think whatever they wants on the talent of this roster while other people can question Scott Shafer's ability to be a HC for a P5 team. I don't like when someone wants to make it appear just because they are positive or drink the kool aid it makes their opinion any better. I don't care if everyone disagrees with what I say as my opinions are not extreme whether you agree or disagree.

Its a fan forum so there will be all sorts of opinion - strongly advocated and defended. That is the fun of it. We also have a bunch of coaches and former coaches posting here, which is an opportunity to learn. I also value posts that are founded on facts and stats as opposed to opinions without much foundation (as they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts) otherwise it can get pretty silly.

 

[Alsacs]

Its a fan forum so there will be all sorts of opinion - strongly advocated and defended. That is the fun of it. We also have a bunch of coaches and former coaches posting here, which is an opportunity to learn. I also value posts that are founded on facts and stats as opposed to opinions without much foundation (as they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts) otherwise it can get pretty silly.

I don't disagree with anything you said but I hope you aren't making it seem like my opinions are without foundation when I am sorry most of my opinions are with foundation and the person I was responding about did exactly what you said gave an opinion and had no foundation to back it but his/her own opinion. I had no problem with his/her opinion, but that was exactly what you are talking about.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Frankly, it could be this year, next year or the year after. Either way, it is becoming clear SS has neither the managerial nor the leadership skills (I won't even touch temperament) to lead a P5 program. The only variable now is timing, as the end result becomes more and more certain each week.

The biggest concern I have is letting TGD make the next call. He missed badly on Robinson, he was thisclose to hiring the disaster that is Skip Holtz (until there was a huge revolt) and was utterly without a plan when Marrone left (apparently, he never got the message that most ADs have a list of candidates in case their CFB coach leaves).

 

[NKR1978]

The biggest concern I have is letting TGD make the next call. He missed badly on Robinson, he was thisclose to hiring the disaster that is Skip Holtz (until there was a huge revolt) and was utterly without a plan when Marrone left (apparently, he never got the message that most ADs have a list of candidates in case their CFB coach leaves).

I agree with your first paragraph but your memory about Skip is wrong.

Also, I think a lot of people would have been happy with that hire. He was successful at a lower level D1 program with northeast ties. It didn't work for him at USF and may have been a disaster here, but he would have been considered a good hire at the time.

 

[TheCusian]

Frankly, it could be this year, next year or the year after. Either way, it is becoming clear SS has neither the managerial nor the leadership skills (I won't even touch temperament) to lead a P5 program. The only variable now is timing, as the end result becomes more and more certain each week. The biggest concern I have is letting TGD make the next call. He missed badly on Robinson, he was thisclose to hiring the disaster that is Skip Holtz (until there was a huge revolt) and was utterly without a plan when Marrone left (apparently, he never got the message that most ADs have a list of candidates in case their CFB coach leaves).

Managerial skills? Leadership skills? Based on what?