Is this a fair criticism of JB?

[Full_Rebar]

What makes you think any NBA draft consultants would tell Ford anything much less the truth? Those guys like to keep things on the down low as much as possible, doubt very much any of them speak to him with anything but baloney.

Ford works for ESPN, which happens to pay the NBA a large amount of money annually. I am fairly confident that NBA teams are open with ESPN writers without giving away any secrets. For example, what harm would it cause the Spurs or Cavs to tell Ford which players they think are in the top 10?

For what it's worth, Mike Waters was on the radio today and said the exchange was a bit mean-spirited for his taste, and he didn't know what Boeheim's reason would be for making those comments in a presser. Waters added that the NBA Draft has little to do with readiness and is now mostly about potential.

 

[81South]

If JB is mad at the people who predict drafts this early then his comments should be directed at them and only them.

His comment about his own chances to hit the lottery being better and he doesn't even buy lottery tickets are a bit much for me as well. His comment about Roberson at the end was unnecessary as well. Someone should call his radio show and ask why he feels the need to make such comments about his players.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Being strictly pragmatic, there is precious little gain for JB to make statements like this. The downside is debatable but given the choice between media outlets portraying our coach as a slave driver bent on harming our best player's reputations and media outlets not doing that, I would have to vote for the latter.

 

[bozophobe]

Yesterday, Bud Poliquin said on his radio show that if Chris can't handle the criticism, then that proves he's not ready/mature enough to go, anyway. That sounded kind of simplistic - and he didn't make any points regarding whether Boeheim's behavior can be an indicator of his own level of emotional development.

Oddly enough, it seems Boeheim should be somewhat thankful to the Chad Fords of the country, if it turns out that they provide a public service that he usefully exploits to motivate his players to improve. What if nobody at the sports networks have said nothing so far? Is SU under .5oo now?

 

[CuseHulk]

Again, very clear least half of you could never play for Coach Boeheim or any other coach for that matter.

 

[two3zone]

Again, very clear least half of you could never play for Coach Boeheim or any other coach for that matter.

 

[SUbear]

Ford works for ESPN, which happens to pay the NBA a large amount of money annually. I am fairly confident that NBA teams are open with ESPN writers without giving away any secrets. For example, what harm would it cause the Spurs or Cavs to tell Ford which players they think are in the top 10?

For what it's worth, Mike Waters was on the radio today and said the exchange was a bit mean-spirited for his taste, and he didn't know what Boeheim's reason would be for making those comments in a presser. Waters added that the NBA Draft has little to do with readiness and is now mostly about potential.

Yeah like Waters knows squadoush. Every local hack writer is an expert in his own mind. Potential might get you a signing bonus but you never achieve the real money most of these youngsters want on potential. The number of players that develope further after going to the league is miniscule.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Again, very clear least half of you could never play for Coach Boeheim or any other coach for that matter.

Clown

 

[RF2044]

Yeah like Waters knows squadoush. Every local hack writer is an expert in his own mind. Potential might get you a signing bonus but you never achieve the real money most of these youngsters want on potential. The number of players that develope further after going to the league is miniscule.

That is not a very accurate characterization of Mike Waters, who is in fact quite knowledgeable and a true college basketball fan. Frankly, the local fanbase is lucky to have a writer of his caliber covering the team.

 

[orange2win]

JB works hard to keep the kids from jumping early. The writer says for self-serving reasons. Probably so, but maybe he even thinks it is better.

Of the hundreds of players who have cycled through the JB program, only 4 have been one-and-dones. Evidence that his coercion works.

 

[orangefan13]

Did JB say Dion, MCW, or Flynn should have come back another year?
No.

And he really wasn't fighting for grant to come back maybe ennis who he was right about. And look at McCullough he was all world the first 7 games now hes the 4th-5th best player on the team all of a sudden, and none of us saw that coming, but JB did.

Plus in Ennis situation, its pretty clear we are missing a pg this year big time. JB also recruits you for the good of the team not headcases to desert the team when they need you the next year( Ennis was not a headcase). Kaleb is good but still only a fresh, with ennis we have 6-8 less turnovers a game and maybe one against pressure. Plus Ennis was never getting more athletic, he would have became a better scorer and a more physical player had he stayed a second year, and learned alot more.


Ennis was a freshmen, freshmen A) aren't up to the speed of the game, and B) lack some physicallity 95% of the time. And when you get to the nba those 2 get much worse. Someone did a stat 2-3 years ago and something like only 8 of the rookies were actually playing.

I have never seen JB say a JR-Senior should come back another year only freshmen and sophs. Which is always a legitimite gripe.

Hate when people spew garbage when they don't know the facts.

 

[dasher]

Did JB say Dion, MCW, or Flynn should have come back another year?
No.

And he really wasn't fighting for grant to come back maybe ennis who he was right about. And look at McCullough he was all world the first 7 games now hes the 4th-5th best player on the team all of a sudden, and none of us saw that coming, but JB did.

Plus in Ennis situation, its pretty clear we are missing a pg this year big time. JB also recruits you for the good of the team not headcases to desert the team when they need you the next year( Ennis was not a headcase). Kaleb is good but still only a fresh, with ennis we have 6-8 less turnovers a game and maybe one against pressure. Plus Ennis was never getting more athletic, he would have became a better scorer and a more physical player had he stayed a second year, and learned alot more.


Ennis was a freshmen, freshmen A) aren't up to the speed of the game, and B) lack some physicallity 95% of the time. And when you get to the nba those 2 get much worse. Someone did a stat 2-3 years ago and something like only 8 of the rookies were actually playing.

I have never seen JB say a JR-Senior should come back another year only freshmen and sophs. Which is always a legitimite gripe.

Hate when people spew garbage when they don't know the facts.

jb did say that flynn should come back.

 

[AlaskaSU]

I'm embarrassed. Read Color Him Orange and you will see how JB is like his Dad. This is who JB is: honest, focused, competent but unsophisticated, stoic, and stubborn. On balance he has brought us success beyond expectations but these outbursts are creating a reputation that would be a publicists nightmare. Those people that read hidden motives, like sending messages to players do not understand JB. He is simply telling it as it is with no varnish and dam the torpedoes. This is how he rolls. I hope that Julie speaks to him. Without her feedback he will continue to publicly rip players when we have an under performing team. There is nothing he says in public that would not best be said directly to the targeted players.

 

[kcsu]

He seems out of sorts. He is starting to slip into being mean vs funny.

 

[dasher]

He seems out of sorts. He is starting to slip into being mean vs funny.

Yes

 

[Czar]

Yesterday, Bud Poliquin said on his radio show that if Chris can't handle the criticism, then that proves he's not ready/mature enough to go, anyway. That sounded kind of simplistic - and he didn't make any points regarding whether Boeheim's behavior can be an indicator of his own level of emotional development.

Oddly enough, it seems Boeheim should be somewhat thankful to the Chad Fords of the country, if it turns out that they provide a public service that he usefully exploits to motivate his players to improve. What if nobody at the sports networks have said nothing so far? Is SU under .5oo now?

McCullough could handle the criticism perfectly fine, but be pissed about Boeheim disrespecting him and not criticizing him directly and rather criticizing him to the public.

That would be my reaction though, no idea if it would be McCullough's. There is a world of difference between a private tear down in the gym and having your dirty laundry, so it were, aired out for the public. It's very passive aggressive honestly.

 

[sufandu]

JB works hard to keep the kids from jumping early. The writer says for self-serving reasons. Probably so, but maybe he even thinks it is better.

Of the hundreds of players who have cycled through the JB program, only 4 have been one-and-dones. Evidence that his coercion works.

It's hard to say exactly why only four of his players have been one-and-dones. Certainly some of the reason has to be the era in which he got his some of his greatest talents. If Coleman or Owens came here now they'd be one-and-dones. Maybe Pearl would've been too. What about John Wallace? He was certainly as athletic as Grant. The way teams draft on potential now he may have left after one year. If he has the option, he may limit a guy's minutes or use coercion to keep a guy around, but I don't think either one has been that strong of a reason a guy has refrained from jumping after one year.