It's Almost Funny

[OrangePA]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

 

[Scooch]

Expecting a win was "wishful thinking"?

Are you freakin' serious?

Whatever, there's no point in engaging with you. All is well.

 

[SUalldway]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

You forgot to mention one thing. Rutgers plays with discipline, we do not.

 

[Chip]

Expecting a win was "wishful thinking"?

Are you freakin' serious?

Whatever, there's no point in engaging with you. All is well.

If his theory was correct, I would have no hope of us ever turning this around.

As it is, I have little faith that we can play mistake free football to the point of winning 4 games on the remaining schedule. But I guess maybe we'll just be facing too much talent anyway.

 

[rrlbees]

Stats don't equal wins but since we had twice as much yardage and 1st downs, I'd say we had enough talent to beat a rutgirls. But we lack discipline which Marrone rightfully so, takes responsibility for. We also realize after the fact, as Marrone did, that we again made some bad coaching decisions during the game.

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[OrlandoCuse]

Your post doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm really confused on how exactly RU's defense could make us play at a pace that gave us trouble, when we were the ones playing the up tempo, no huddle offense.

You give far too much acclaim to RU and not enough blame to SU. I didn't see two teams that were miles apart in terms of physical talent (RU does have a few more playmakers on their team, though). I did see two teams that were miles apart in mental ability and discipline, though.

 

[44cuse]

Expecting a win was "wishful thinking"?

Are you freakin' serious?

Whatever, there's no point in engaging with you. All is well.

There is never anything wrong. You don't know that?

44cuse

 

[rrlbees]

Btw, why shouldn't we expect to be able to beat an average team? Marrone certainly expected too and is why he is so pissed, disappointed and frustrated.

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[sufandu]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

You're missing the point. It's not as if we were physically pushed around today. Rutgers gained less than 250 yards and we gained over 400. When you don't win with that kind of yardage disparity, it's mental errors and coaching. Rutgers did not win because they overwhelmed us athletically. We beat ourselves today. When that happens every once in a while I can swallow it. When it happens in half of the games we've played it's unacceptable.

 

[Chip]

Btw, why shouldn't we expect to be able to beat an average team? Marrone certainly expected too and is why he is so pissed, disappointed and frustrated.

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Marrone's demeanor during and after Rutgers games is always different. And I don't get the sense that it's because he thinks they're too talented for us to compete with them.

 

[Scooch]

How the can Rutgers defense be "far ahead of our offense" when we gained 400 yards on them?

OPA, why don't you just post "it doesn't matter what happens, I will always defend the coach"?

 

[Cuseregular]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

We outgained them 420 to 240, with 23-12 lead in first downs. Clearly we're good enough to play with these type teams so it's clearly not wishful thinking to go into a game and out play them (statistically) and subsequently expect to win. But Where it appears he's lacking is in his ability to figure out who to play (which is someting I think you've seen as well), as well as making in game decisions. That combo causes a loss of faith in you from your team. Which we'll see play out as the season slides into oblivion.

I can't imagine theres been a similar situation with any other team where the team with the better stats loses so much. That's a problematic situation. I agree and applaud that to this point they haven't quit and fight to the final whistle. But this is increasingly looking like saying hey it's great that they kept the lights on on the Titanic for so long.

I don't think it's going to be a productive thing for the program for any of us to cling false hopes that some day he's going to get "it" Here at least maybe some day somewhere else but things like finally getting into it more on the sideline with greater energy has all the hallmarks of "too little too late"

I'm emotionally drained of excitement and to a certain degree of interest all over again. Maybe you're right and continuity is more important and it for this reason that I won't complain much if he gets a 5th year. that said if I was making the call, without a bowl season this year, I'd say no mas for him rather than clinging to what appears to be false hope.

 

[orangenirvana]

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made.

 

[bevosu]

I have no axe to grind with Rutgers or their fans. I've never posted in those dump on Rutgers threads.

I think Rutgers at best is an opportunistic team...some would call them fortunate. I don't think they're a particularly good team. they have a very good wide receiver, after that..what?

They've played nobody and haven't looked like they have much of an offense. Their defense looks good statistically, but I think that'll change when they play a couple of teams that have decent offenses.

I think we out played them today and managed to lose..something that we seem to do on a fairly regular basis.

What the game says about us I have no idea.

 

[rrlbees]

I have no axe to grind with Rutgers or their fans. I've never posted in those dump on Rutgers threads.

I think Rutgers at best is an opportunistic team...some would call them fortunate. I don't think they're a particularly good team. they have a very good wide receiver, after that..what?

They've played nobody and haven't looked like they have much of an offense. Their defense looks good statistically, but I think that'll change when they play a couple of teams that have decent offenses.

I think we out played them today and managed to lose..something that we seem to do on a fairly regular basis.

What the game says about us I have no idea.

I agree with this. They don't have an offense. Our D was as good as theirs. But they don't make the bad mistakes we do. Call it luck, fortune, skill, no matter, things happen for the positive for them in turnovers.

How many blocked FG's get returned for TD's? How many times are there 2 lost fumbles in a game where 1 was definitely not a fumble and the other probably wasn't either?


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[dasher]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

we have two wins. one against stony brook and the other by 1 against Pitt. If the talent isn't there, whose job is that? Mine? Yours? Please. Where is the talent on offense? All your post needed was a defense of paterno make it complete. It's not the posters fault that we aren't getting better. That is on this coaching staff. This is year 4. Year 4. Same blocked field goal attempts. Same procedure penalties. Same turnovers. Same coach. OrangePa, make a case that we are getting better.

 

[SaintTristan]

Just out of curiosity, when should we win games?

Maybe marrone should ask rutgers' first year coach to come and educate him in the offseason?

 

[HtownOrange]

You're missing the point. It's not as if we were physically pushed around today. Rutgers gained less than 250 yards and we gained over 400. When you don't win with that kind of yardage disparity, it's mental errors and coaching. Rutgers did not win because they overwhelmed us athletically. We beat ourselves today. When that happens every once in a while I can swallow it. When it happens in half of the games we've played it's unacceptable.

Exactly.

I credit Rutgers for taking advantage of Syracuse mistakes, but they did not "beat" us. We have 400+ yards on the #2 (or whatever inflated ranking they had) defense. This proves that their schedule is padded, that they are beatable and that our Orange are not mentally where they need to be. It also shows our defense is pretty good, holding a top 25 team to 250 yards total offense.

Back to the point, if the Orange did not make the errors, Rutgers loses.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm confused. If we lose so much, and each loss is accompanied by knee jerk reactions, at some point don't they stop being knee jerk?

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[Scooch]

I'm confused. If we lose so much, and each loss is accompanied by knee jerk reactions, at some point don't they stop being knee jerk?

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Don't bother. OPA would defend the captain of the Titanic.

"It's not his fault the ship's hull isn't stronger, and the guys in the crowd nest lost their telescope, and its winter in the North Atlantic..."

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Don't bother. OPA would defend the captain of the Titanic.

"It's not his fault the ship's hull isn't stronger, and the guys in the crowd nest lost their telescope, and its winter in the North Atlantic..."

I hear you, but sadly chit chatting nonsense on this board is the only thing that makes SU football fun.

I can't believe I actually watched the game today. I'm not making the same mistake against UCONN.

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[orangenirvana]

Don't bother. OPA would defend the captain of the Titanic.

"It's not his fault the ship's hull isn't stronger, and the guys in the crowd nest lost their telescope, and its winter in the North Atlantic..."

Anybody who expected the Titanic to not sink were engaged in wishful thinking. It was impossible to recruit good crowd nest guys with such poor facilities.

 

[BlackKnight76]

I hear you, but sadly chit chatting nonsense on this board is the only thing that makes SU football fun.

I can't believe I actually watched the game today. I'm not making the same mistake against UCONN.

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Oh, if you're gonna give up on watching, at least wait till after UConn. At least we have enough hope on offense that when Nassib throws an awful interception it's especially heart wrenching. SUA should run UConn offensive highlights as an "it gets better" commercial.

Glass houses and stones, I know.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

"It's not his fault the ship's hull isn't stronger, and the guys in the crowd nest lost their telescope, and its winter in the North Atlantic..."

Well, Captain Smith did have a winning record.

 

[Rocco]

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

I disagree with this. Yet again, we should have won this game. We were evenly matched in every facet of the game (they have tall recievers who can't catch).

Difference is that we shoot ourselves so many times per game. The talent gap isn't what people think.

Watching the game, our D was very good. Our O is tough to watch. Yards don't mean shat. No moral victories.

Nassib is not the answer at QB. Not sure who is, but until someone else sees the field, we won't know. He has a great arm, but he can't figure out how to string a full game together. He is great at times, and simply horrendous other times. You can say that his receivers drop the ball, he gets pressured, etc. That is certainly a part of it. Every QB will deal with their issues. He makes so many poor decisions, doesn't protect the ball and simply doesn't have field vision. The kid has a great arm, no question; however, he lacks accuracy and has the touch of a sledge hammer. No reason to throw it 60-70 MPH to Gulley 5 yards away.