It's Almost Funny

[CU44SE]

You're missing the point. It's not as if we were physically pushed around today. Rutgers gained less than 250 yards and we gained over 400. When you don't win with that kind of yardage disparity, it's mental errors and coaching. Rutgers did not win because they overwhelmed us athletically. We beat ourselves today. When that happens every once in a while I can swallow it. When it happens in half of the games we've played it's unacceptable.

So coaching made Nassib throw 2 picks, lose one fumble and fumble out of field goal range? I think you said it all but got it wrong. Coaching allowed us to out-gain them 400 to 250. The coaches didn't turn the ball over. The coaching didn't miss a block allowing a blocked field goal. The players need to be held accountable. Your blaming the coach entirely way to much. You really think Marrone doesn't realize the need to protect the ball, block a guy up the middle on a field goal. I can guarantee you that is stressed all the time, it is common knowledge you need to protect the ball. If you turn the ball over, you cant win. The players need to execute the simple things, protect the ball. I can honestly say coaching did not lose us this game. The only thing I could say that was truly a coaching mistake was going for the 50 yard field goal (punting would have been stupid to though, and it was 4th and 20 so your wrong if you punt it, no question it's a touchback with the punters we have or try the field goal even if it was wishful thinking. The other was first down at the 3 and only running it on 3rd down, needed to run it with the tank package more.) Other than that it was on the players. Rene (even though he was clearly down) was in traffic getting tackled with only one arm on the ball, 3 guys around him he needs to cover and protect the ball, he was careless. I could go on and on but I wont...

 

[BORZAK]

Expecting a win was "wishful thinking"?

Are you freakin' serious?

Whatever, there's no point in engaging with you. All is well.

NO, "Are you freakin' serious?" FROM YOU " It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah."
How the **** can Rutgers defense be "far ahead of our offense" when we gained 400 yards on them? THEY HAVE THE SPEED AND TALENT TO TAKE CHANCES AND THE PRESENCE TO ALMOST ALWAY PUNCH AND RIP THE BALL ON PLAYS. THEY PRODUCED MOST OF THE TURNOVERS BY THEIR ACTIONS. THEY PULLED ON RECEIVERS ARMS AS THE BALLS ARRIVED, BUMPED AND DISTRACTED THE RUNNING OF ROUTES. WE MAKE THE FG AND THEY SCORE NO TD IT IS 18-17 WE WIN (IT MAKES AS MUCH SENCE AS MOST THE POSTS, blah, blah, blah".

 

[anglerman]

Stats don't equal wins but since we had twice as much yardage and 1st downs, I'd say we had enough talent to beat a rutgirls. But we lack discipline which Marrone rightfully so, takes responsibility for. We also realize after the fact, as Marrone did, that we again made some bad coaching decisions during the game.

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Hmmm...you defended your boy GROB until the bitter end. All coaches make some poor decisions during games that they wish they hadn't. Marrone is just honest about it. The truth is that we have different players making foolish mistakes. I'm not sure that you can coach that.

You obviously have an anti-Marrone agenda but you just loved the worst coach in the history of sports GROB.

 

[rrlbees]

Hmmm...you defended your boy GROB until the bitter end. All coaches make some poor decisions during games that they wish they hadn't. Marrone is just honest about it. The truth is that we have different players making foolish mistakes. I'm not sure that you can coach that.

You obviously have an anti-Marrone agenda but you just loved the worst coach in the history of sports GROB.

Yea, that's it. You have it all figured out.

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[sufandu]

So coaching made Nassib throw 2 picks, lose one fumble and fumble out of field goal range? I think you said it all but got it wrong. Coaching allowed us to out-gain them 400 to 250. The coaches didn't turn the ball over. The coaching didn't miss a block allowing a blocked field goal. The players need to be held accountable. Your blaming the coach entirely way to much. You really think Marrone doesn't realize the need to protect the ball, block a guy up the middle on a field goal. I can guarantee you that is stressed all the time, it is common knowledge you need to protect the ball. If you turn the ball over, you cant win. The players need to execute the simple things, protect the ball. I can honestly say coaching did not lose us this game. The only thing I could say that was truly a coaching mistake was going for the 50 yard field goal (punting would have been stupid to though, and it was 4th and 20 so your wrong if you punt it, no question it's a touchback with the punters we have or try the field goal even if it was wishful thinking. The other was first down at the 3 and only running it on 3rd down, needed to run it with the tank package more.) Other than that it was on the players. Rene (even though he was clearly down) was in traffic getting tackled with only one arm on the ball, 3 guys around him he needs to cover and protect the ball, he was careless. I could go on and on but I wont...

Coaching holds out our most physically gifted playmaker that may help those 400 yards turn into more than 15 points by finishing off drives. Coaching most certainly caused the fg block when it comes from the same guy that blocked a kick last year by shooting the same gap two years in a row and said so in a post game interview. Coaching refuses to acknowledge that our quarterback has no instincts or feel for the game. He's a robot. Coaching is why we NEVER set up a punt return. If this was the only game we lost due to turnovers and penalties, I would agree it's not coaching, but it's not. This is becoming, or has already become, an established pattern.

 

[Cuseregular]

Coaching holds out our most physically gifted playmaker that may help those 400 yards turn into more than 15 points by finishing off drives. Coaching most certainly caused the fg block when it comes from the same guy that blocked a kick last year by shooting the same gap two years in a row and said so in a post game interview. Coaching refuses to acknowledge that our quarterback has no instincts or feel for the game. He's a robot. Coaching is why we NEVER set up a punt return. If this was the only game we lost due to turnovers and penalties, I would agree it's not coaching, but it's not. This is becoming, or has already become, an established pattern.

if there was such a thing as a triple like this post would get it. Well said

 

[Orangetradition44]

I'm not sure you can call in knee jerk when it's based on a 4-year body of work.

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

 

[Orangefan1]

I mean you can blame the coaches all you want but they aren't playing the game. And what I saw Saturday tells me the coaches tried to put them in the best position to win and the kids didn't execute. Call it what you want but coaches aren't fumbling the ball and getting fg's blocked. I blame this on the players more than coaches this time. BTW its nice to see Marrone get heated. That was the most upset I have seen him in a while.

 

[Ozcuse]

I mean you can blame the coaches all you want but they aren't playing the game. And what I saw Saturday tells me the coaches tried to put them in the best position to win and the kids didn't execute. Call it what you want but coaches aren't fumbling the ball and getting fg's blocked. I blame this on the players more than coaches this time. BTW its nice to see Marrone get heated. That was the most upset I have seen him in a while.

Why aren't the coaches pulling players who repeatedly make mistakes in order to hold them accountable? Nassib has how many turnovers now? Nah screw it, lets try and break that record too since people here seem to obsess over stats.

 

[sufandu]

Why aren't the coaches pulling players who repeatedly make mistakes in order to hold them accountable? Nassib has how many turnovers now? Nah screw it, lets try and break that record too since people here seem to obsess over stats.

They are. That's why Ashton Broyld isn't playing. :crazy:

 

[suthrills]

to come to this board after a loss like the one we suffered today.

It's always the same knee jerk stuff - fire the coach, he's another Maloney, hire Petrino, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that Rutgers is better than we are right now- they are bigger, stronger, faster and there are more of those kinds of players on their side of the field than our side.

Coleman, No. 17, the WR is a physically dominant guy that we can't cover.

The Rutgers defense is fast, strong and well ahead of our offense. They made us play at a pace that gave us trouble - they forced us to make mistakes - and that was the difference today.

You can't win with five TOs and you absoluately can't win with those TOs against a more talented team. The Rutgers speed and athleticism on defense underscored the weaknesses in Ryan's game and the games of our WRs.

Anybody who expected a win today was engaging in wishful thinking. Rutgers was better and was playing at home. We had to play a mistake free game to win and we didn't and probably couldn't against this team.

I was proud of the Orange today - we played hard - we hit and tackled and never quit. To feel the kind of outrage that so many on this board feel is silly - this is not the Rutgers of Doug Graber or Terry Shea - this is a very good team that beat us today.

We are getting better and it would be nice if more folks on this board would stop expecting what should not be expected and to realize that much progress has been made but that much work is to be done.

We do not need a new coach. We need stability, investment and a bit of patience - the same ingredients that allowed Schiano and the RU Athetic Department to develope a solid program out of nothing.

so let me ask you a question. Why were able to beat them in DM's first two years when the program was supposedly in the midst of the worst period in the history of SU football. Have we regressed since DM took over to the point where we now can't compete with Rutgers but in his 1st 2 years we could?
This has to do with the fact that the team is poorly coached and makes the same stupid mistakes week after week and year after year. Most teams in college football can kick a 32 yard field goal. Most teams in college footballl can return a punt without fumbling.
Every game you can point to simple fundamental things that breakdown. Us not being able to convert a FG has absolutely nothing to do with Rutgers superiority.
I"m rooting VERY HARD for DM to succeed but am losing faith by the minute to the point where I'm starting to think Tristan is making sense. Maybe he's just not that good of a coach, have you thought about that?

 

[Orangefan1]

I get the accountability aspect of it but coaches are playing on the field fellas. Unless they look at Marrone's 1980 football games.

 

[Ozcuse]

I get the accountability aspect of it but coaches are playing on the field fellas. Unless they look at Marrone's 1980 football games.

Ok, red zone play calling. The admittance they didn't have any real plan for red zone until after the Minnesota game. Then after they find something that works, they ignore it in the 4th Quarter and go back to Tard Ball.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

so let me ask you a question. Why were able to beat them in DM's first two years when the program was supposedly in the midst of the worst period in the history of SU football. Have we regressed since DM took over to the point where we now can't compete with Rutgers but in his 1st 2 years we could?

423 yards vs 242 yards.

23 1st downs vs 15.

Let's stop with the "we can't compete with Rutgers" nonsense.

We're a blocked FG and a Phil Thomas pick away from being 4-0 against them.

Take away the turnovers, and we'd have won the last two games by two scores.

Don't confuse being sloppy against Rutgers with not belonging on the same field as Rutgers.

 

[CU44SE]

Coaching holds out our most physically gifted playmaker that may help those 400 yards turn into more than 15 points by finishing off drives. Coaching most certainly caused the fg block when it comes from the same guy that blocked a kick last year by shooting the same gap two years in a row and said so in a post game interview. Coaching refuses to acknowledge that our quarterback has no instincts or feel for the game. He's a robot. Coaching is why we NEVER set up a punt return. If this was the only game we lost due to turnovers and penalties, I would agree it's not coaching, but it's not. This is becoming, or has already become, an established pattern.

As much as you want to say the coaches held out our most physically gifted playmaker in the redzone (which I agree he should have got more touches then the 3rd down carry), Lemon dropped 2 touchdown passes on that drive (one from the 8yd line, one from the 3 yd line). The Play was their, the execution was not. Lemon was put in a position to succeed but he dropped the ball. Tough catches but all the same it hit him in the hands in stride.

 

[alphaorange]

Btw, why shouldn't we expect to be able to beat an average team? Marrone certainly expected too and is why he is so pissed, disappointed and frustrated.

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A top 20 ranking says they are better than average, regardless of how we feel about them. We were dogs and we lost. A couple of playes executed well on our part, or a couple not executed on theirs, and we win. Not trying to be belligerent, but everyone outside of SU figured us to lose. It's not we were favored and lost.

 

[alphaorange]

Wow, we sure an emotional bunch here (myself included). The difference between us and Rutgers is that they are still at least somewhat more talented physically, and that they are much more consistent in their on field performance. I hated the pass calls from the 3, but still, Lemon did drop a pass that top 20 team receivers usually do not. Our defense was good, yes. However, they caught some breaks, too. Rutgers WR drops a sure TD as it goes through his hands in the end zone. There were several plays (non plays), a few blown calls, but overall we had a chance to win if we played like a top 20 team and we didn't. It seems to me that we can move the ball against anyone on offense but have trouble stopping the pass on defense. At this point in time, it just looks like we are not consistently executing enough wire to wire. Breakdowns at critical times are killing us. On Marrone? I'm not sure as guys make the plays all game long and then someone will fail when it kills the team. He has only so many choices. He can bench the kid and bring in someone who likely is worse or he can rant and rave at the kid. Penalties and technical execution seem to be matters of discipline, to me. Getting beat by a better player is just that. More talented players win those battles at critical times.

For me, I want to give Doug until next year is finished. Hate to say it, but his career as HCDM may rest on whoever is tossing the ball around next year.

 

[Cuseman78]

Wow, we sure an emotional bunch here (myself included). The difference between us and Rutgers is that they are still at least somewhat more talented physically, and that they are much more consistent in their on field performance. I hated the pass calls from the 3, but still, Lemon did drop a pass that top 20 team receivers usually do not. Our defense was good, yes. However, they caught some breaks, too. Rutgers WR drops a sure TD as it goes through his hands in the end zone. There were several plays (non plays), a few blown calls, but overall we had a chance to win if we played like a top 20 team and we didn't. It seems to me that we can move the ball against anyone on offense but have trouble stopping the pass on defense. At this point in time, it just looks like we are not consistently executing enough wire to wire. Breakdowns at critical times are killing us. On Marrone? I'm not sure as guys make the plays all game long and then someone will fail when it kills the team. He has only so many choices. He can bench the kid and bring in someone who likely is worse or he can rant and rave at the kid. Penalties and technical execution seem to be matters of discipline, to me. Getting beat by a better player is just that. More talented players win those battles at critical times.

For me, I want to give Doug until next year is finished. Hate to say it, but his career as HCDM may rest on whoever is tossing the ball around next year.

No offense, but you and those chalking this loss up lack of talent are lost. We were more than physically up to the challenge, we continually shot ourselves in the foot and had a backbreaking blocked FG for a TD. This wasn't a talent issue, this was an execution issue (again).

 

[alphaorange]

No offense, but you and those chalking this loss up lack of talent are lost. We were more than physically up to the challenge, we continually shot ourselves in the foot and had a backbreaking blocked FG for a TD. This wasn't a talent issue, this was an execution issue (again).

With all due respect, you are lost if you think RU is not more talented. Talent is not only about measurables, but I'm sure a guy with your expertise is well aware of that.....

 

[Cuseman78]

With all due respect, you are lost if you think RU is not more talented. Talent is not only about measurables, but I'm sure a guy with your expertise is well aware of that.....

I will assume you didn't watch the game. Our DL dominated their OL, and theirs ours. It was Extremely evenly matched. The difference in the game was turnovers. That's the story.

 

[RMH44]

Why aren't the coaches pulling players who repeatedly make mistakes in order to hold them accountable? Nassib has how many turnovers now? Nah screw it, lets try and break that record too since people here seem to obsess over stats.

That's part of the problem, other than Nassib, it's difficult to point the finger at just one player. Pugh false start, Chibane false start, Trudo false start...it seems like each game a handful of different players make mistakes at key times. Very frustrating to watch.

 

[Rocco]

I will assume you didn't watch the game. Our DL dominated their OL, and theirs ours. It was Extremely evenly matched. The difference in the game was turnovers. That's the story.

Exactly. Yes, we had recievers drop a few balls and Ryan overthrew a few wide open receivers, but Rutgers dealt with the same thing.

The lack of ball security is unreal. I come in every week thinking this week will be better, and then it is the same old stupid ing fumbles and picks.

The fact that Rene is returning punts is laughable. He makes bad decisions all the time and isn't fast.

 

[suthrills]

423 yards vs 242 yards.

23 1st downs vs 15.

Let's stop with the "we can't compete with Rutgers" nonsense.

We're a blocked FG and a Phil Thomas pick away from being 4-0 against them.

Take away the turnovers, and we'd have won the last two games by two scores.

Don't confuse being sloppy against Rutgers with not belonging on the same field as Rutgers.

Exactly my point. (and you forgot to add a missed extra point). I think you meant to direct this to OrangePA.
I'd love to hear his response.

 

[Oakland]

We outgained them 420 to 240, with 23-12 lead in first downs. Clearly we're good enough to play with these type teams so it's clearly not wishful thinking to go into a game and out play them (statistically) and subsequently expect to win. But Where it appears he's lacking is in his ability to figure out who to play (which is someting I think you've seen as well), as well as making in game decisions. That combo causes a loss of faith in you from your team. Which we'll see play out as the season slides into oblivion..

Yet they had the ball 4 min more than SU (ESPN). Number of run plays was about even. How is that possible?

 

[alphaorange]

I will assume you didn't watch the game. Our DL dominated their OL, and theirs ours. It was Extremely evenly matched. The difference in the game was turnovers. That's the story.

Normally I wouldn't waste time discussing something like this with you, but if you don't think talent has to do with execution at critical times, you are sadly mistaken. It isn't always on the coach, although he has made mistakes, too. RU could easily have put up two TDs more. I'll have to assume you watched the game with your anti-HCDM glasses on. It could have been very, very ugly. If our Dline dominated their Oline, how many sacks and knockdowns did we have? If our Oline dominated their Dline, where did all the pressure come from? Did Gulley have a lot of holes? Didn't look it. You are cherry picking.