it's pretty amazing SU even has 2 FBS wins

[Millhouse]

116th in yards per game offense vs FBS, 117th in defense

Only Kansas is worse in combined ranking. Barely. And they're winless. UCF is one spot ahead of us. they're winless too

if we're playing slow to help the defense, it's not working.

of course, lsu and clemson would beat them by a hundred. nothing makes sense

 

[Cuseregular]

116th in yards per game offense vs FBS, 117th in defense

Only Kansas is worse in combined ranking. Barely. And they're winless. UCF is one spot ahead of us. they're winless too

if we're playing slow to help the defense, it's not working.

of course, lsu and clemson would beat them by a hundred. nothing makes sense

 

[cuseinchina]

116th in yards per game offense vs FBS, 117th in defense

Only Kansas is worse in combined ranking. Barely. And they're winless. UCF is one spot ahead of us. they're winless too

if we're playing slow to help the defense, it's not working.

of course, lsu and clemson would beat them by a hundred. nothing makes sense

So I am not really responding to this but more to your focus on speed / number of plays run by our offense. What evidence do you have to show that this is a variable of great importance? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, I'm truly interested as I've seen you post on it a number of times. The only other team I have watched extensively this year is UF - my partner is a big Gators fan having previously lived in Gainesville for a bunch of years. Just anecdotally speaking since I have zero time to look at the data on this, UF seems to do a lot of nothing on offense most of the time. They don't seem to move the ball all that effectively and they don't seem to play very fast at all. They seem to always score on big break-away plays that have to do with talent and superior play calling setting up the big plays. They also seem to have very good field position the majority of the time due to very good special teams (excluding their walk on placekicker who sucks which means they go for it on 4th all the time, another thing you would approve of). Am interested in how all that fits into your assumptions on speed of play.

 

[Millhouse]

So I am not really responding to this but more to your focus on speed / number of plays run by our offense. What evidence do you have to show that this is a variable of great importance? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, I'm truly interested as I've seen you post on it a number of times. The only other team I have watched extensively this year is UF - my partner is a big Gators fan having previously lived in Gainesville for a bunch of years. Just anecdotally speaking since I have zero time to look at the data on this, UF seems to do a lot of nothing on offense most of the time. They don't seem to move the ball all that effectively and they don't seem to play very fast at all. They seem to always score on big break-away plays that have to do with talent and superior play calling setting up the big plays. They also seem to have very good field position the majority of the time due to very good special teams (excluding their walk on placekicker who sucks which means they go for it on 4th all the time, another thing you would approve of). Am interested in how all that fits into your assumptions on speed of play.

the only reason i like to look at yards per play is to avoid apples and oranges - some teams just run so many plays because they snap it so fast. teams that play fast look worse in per game totals on defense and better on offense.

i think we play slow because shafer knew the defense was awful. really good teams with per play advantages multiply that advantage by increasing the number of plays

i think we have taken it too far though. the defense is so bad that it doesn't matter whether you limit their plays and the offense could really benefit from speeding up

unless you're some power team that is naturally going to eat clock, trying to limit plays is lame.

 

[jekelish]

Maybe there's more to sports than just data and numbers when it comes to being able to get wins here and there?

 

[Millhouse]

Maybe there's more to sports than just data and numbers when it comes to being able to get wins here and there?

Thanks!

I'm all ears!

That's why I posted this!

 

[TheCusian]

the only reason i like to look at yards per play is to avoid apples and oranges - some teams just run so many plays because they snap it so fast. teams that play fast look worse in per game totals on defense and better on offense. i think we play slow because shafer knew the defense was awful. really good teams with per play advantages multiply that advantage by increasing the number of plays i think we have taken it too far though. the defense is so bad that it doesn't matter whether you limit their plays and the offense could really benefit from speeding up unless you're some power team that is naturally going to eat clock, trying to limit plays is lame.

My ears perked up when the announcers said that the coaches told them they were going no-huddle the whole game.

Not sure how it played out, but that's been the right move for like 5 weeks.

 

[GoSU96]

Since 2009 only seven teams finished with that combined level of performance or worse. That's out of 729 seasons played.

2012 Colorado 1 win, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach John Embree - FIRED

2011 Memphis 2 wins, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach Larry Porter - FIRED

2013 Miami (Oh) 0 wins, 122 offense, 113 defense, 3rd year coach Don Treadwell - FIRED after 5th game of the year. Interim coach Mike Bath - FIRED

2014 E. Michigan 2 wins, 121 offense, 118 defense, 1st year coach Chris Creighton - Retained, 1-10 this year

2010 New Mexico 1 win, 120 offense, 119 defense, 2nd year coach Mike Locksley Retained, FIRED 4 games into the next season.

2009 Washington St 1 win, 119 offense, 120 defense, 2nd year coach Paul Wulff Retained, four year record 9-40.

2014 SMU, 1 win, 124 offense, 119 defense, June Jones quit after two games, interim coach not retained.

Anybody else see a trend?

 

[TheCusian]

Since 2009 only seven teams finished with that combined level of performance or worse. That's out of 729 seasons played. 2012 Colorado 1 win, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach John Embree - FIRED 2011 Memphis 2 wins, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach Larry Porter - FIRED 2013 Miami (Oh) 0 wins, 122 offense, 113 defense, 3rd year coach Don Treadwell - FIRED after 5th game of the year. Interim coach Mike Bath - FIRED 2014 E. Michigan 2 wins, 121 offense, 118 defense, 1st year coach Chris Creighton - Retained, 1-10 this year 2010 New Mexico 1 win, 120 offense, 119 defense, 2nd year coach Mike Locksley Retained, FIRED 4 games into the next season. 2009 Washington St 1 win, 119 offense, 120 defense, 2nd year coach Paul Wulff Retained, four year record 9-40. 2014 SMU, 1 win, 124 offense, 119 defense, June Jones quit after two games, interim coach not retained. Anybody else see a trend?

Not seeing it.

Edit: Just kidding.

 

[Millhouse]

Since 2009 only seven teams finished with that combined level of performance or worse. That's out of 729 seasons played.

2012 Colorado 1 win, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach John Embree - FIRED

2011 Memphis 2 wins, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach Larry Porter - FIRED

2013 Miami (Oh) 0 wins, 122 offense, 113 defense, 3rd year coach Don Treadwell - FIRED after 5th game of the year. Interim coach Mike Bath - FIRED

2014 E. Michigan 2 wins, 121 offense, 118 defense, 1st year coach Chris Creighton - Retained, 1-10 this year

2010 New Mexico 1 win, 120 offense, 119 defense, 2nd year coach Mike Locksley Retained, FIRED 4 games into the next season.

2009 Washington St 1 win, 119 offense, 120 defense, 2nd year coach Paul Wulff Retained, four year record 9-40.

2014 SMU, 1 win, 124 offense, 119 defense, June Jones quit after two games, interim coach not retained.

Anybody else see a trend?

BC will probably bump us 80 spots on defense when they run 80 times for -40 yards

 

[GoSU96]

BC will probably bump us 80 spots on defense when they run 80 times for -40 yards

I don't think SU is as fundamentally as bad as those teams are. Obviously the number of plays run is driving the total offense down and the defense is just too small and too young for the teams they are playing.

 

[Macky44]

Since 2009 only seven teams finished with that combined level of performance or worse. That's out of 729 seasons played.

2012 Colorado 1 win, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach John Embree - FIRED

2011 Memphis 2 wins, 116 offense, 117 defense, 2nd year coach Larry Porter - FIRED

2013 Miami (Oh) 0 wins, 122 offense, 113 defense, 3rd year coach Don Treadwell - FIRED after 5th game of the year. Interim coach Mike Bath - FIRED

2014 E. Michigan 2 wins, 121 offense, 118 defense, 1st year coach Chris Creighton - Retained, 1-10 this year

2010 New Mexico 1 win, 120 offense, 119 defense, 2nd year coach Mike Locksley Retained, FIRED 4 games into the next season.

2009 Washington St 1 win, 119 offense, 120 defense, 2nd year coach Paul Wulff Retained, four year record 9-40.

2014 SMU, 1 win, 124 offense, 119 defense, June Jones quit after two games, interim coach not retained.

Anybody else see a trend?

So given the fact that we have won 3 games with these numbers...are you all backing up the theory that the staff should be retained because we shouldn't be winning anything?

 

[Whitey23]

Since 2009 only seven teams finished with that combined level of performance or worse. That's out of 729 seasons played.

That is unbelievable.

 

[GoSU96]

So given the fact that we have won 3 games with these numbers...are you all backing up the theory that the staff should be retained because we shouldn't be winning anything?

If he's retained that's because of internal factors such as the talent in development and coming in.

I'm not hung up on wins and losses either way but the basic level of performance doesn't inspire confidence.

 

[Macky44]

If he's retained that's because of internal factors such as the talent in development and coming in.

I'm not hung up on wins and losses either way but the basic level of performance doesn't inspire confidence.

I know i was just messing with you. In my opinion though...if we are in the Coastal we get 1 to 2 more wins ever single season hands down.

 

[qdawgg]

Maybe there's more to sports than just data and numbers when it comes to being able to get wins here and there?

But we aren't getting wins and the here to there wins we have are largely in our OOC schedule.

In this case, the data and numbers simply verify what our record has been the last two years. It's never good when your record aligns perfectly with the data.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I know i was just messing with you. In my opinion though...if we are in the Coastal we get 1 to 2 more wins ever single season hands down.

Just curious. If we swapped divisions, which Coastal teams are we beating this year?

 

[Millhouse]

I don't think SU is as fundamentally as bad as those teams are. Obviously the number of plays run is driving the total offense down and the defense is just too small and too young for the teams they are playing.

i agree. some terrible teams, it's easy to see why. perry patterson throwing to tim lane and rice moss. ok, that makes sense. but these numbers are a little more baffling.

this has been a very tough schedule. i don't think they're good enough to retain the staff but they're not this bad

according to the simple rating system (schedule adjusted scoring margin ranking), we're 81st. that sounds more like where they really are. keeping it close against LSU and Clemson makes a big difference there i think for that stat - most terrible teams would've gotten smoked

it's amazing that a team this bad in yards per game can keep it somewhat close in points per game

 

[gocusecaz]

27.8 points per game. Only Nassib's senior year with 30 ppg has been better since Gerg.The idea is to put points on the board. Defense has been the problem.

 

[Briancuse]

Just curious. If we swapped divisions, which Coastal teams are we beating this year?

Maybe gtech.

 

[Millhouse]

27.8 points per game. Only Nassib's senior year with 30 ppg has been better since Gerg.The idea is to put points on the board. Defense has been the problem.

i don't think post gerg is what we need to compare to because marrone's first three years were terrible on offense too

 

[gocusecaz]

You keep bringing up about where we rank as far as yards per game, but the idea is to out score your opponent. We rank 73 in points per game. I think us scoring points isn't the problem, stopping the other team is.

 

[TheCusian]

You keep bringing up about where we rank as far as yards per game, but the idea is to out score your opponent. We rank 73 in points per game. I think us scoring points isn't the problem, stopping the other team is.

Millhouse bout to pounce on you like a day old cheeseburger

 

[GoSU96]

27.8 points per game. Only Nassib's senior year with 30 ppg has been better since Gerg.The idea is to put points on the board. Defense has been the problem.

Oy

 

[gocusecaz]

He brought up statistics, I brought up statistics. Not offering an opinion. Take it for what it's worth.