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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 2043869, member: 363"] When Hayward gets a couple first or 2nd team ALL NBA defense on his resume we can debate, until then don't let facts get in the way of a good hair day. Like I said, I think he's very good and I don't think he's far off George but to sit here and debate George versus Hayward on the defensive side of the ball just isn't a very intelligent conversation. Tough to take serious really, and I have watched Hayward 3-4 times this year but like I Said, it's not what I think the accolades from peers and those in charge of NBA all D team speak louder than your opinion or mine. [/QUOTE]