JB demonstrated a nice lesson...

[jr4750]

To the team... When we believe in our friends, we stand up for each other, despite the consequences. Hopefully they rally around that ideology.

 

[Fishy]

JB might be the toughest white man on the planet tonight.

Seriously, I'm about ten steps beyond impressed with what he did last night.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Definitely puts his money where his mouth is with respect to standing up for his people. Has done it for players for years and now puts his career (and more) on the line. If a recruit needs proof that this is a guy who will be there for them through thick and thin, they should need no more evidence. Now lets just hope his loyalty has been earned.

 

[sherrillcuse]

Definitely puts his money where his mouth is with respect to standing up for his people. Has done it for players for years and now puts his career (and more) on the line. If a recruit needs proof that this is a guy who will be there for them through thick and thin, they should need no more evidence. Now lets just hope his loyalty has been earned.

Very well put.

 

[rrlbees]

now puts his career (and more)

Yea, possibly the program. He better be right.

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[SWC75]

You go after JB, his colleagues or his players, you'd better get your dukes up because you're going ten rounds with him.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Yea, possibly the program. He better be right.

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Bees, you sound awfully pessimistic. Just preparing for the worst?

 

[rrlbees]

Bees, you sound awfully pessimistic. Just preparing for the worst?

Not pessimistic about the end result. When it was first announced, I was like everyone else...Oh No. Now I am more like somewhat confident everything will be OK. But what JB did was for the instant gratification of going on the offensive and making people take a step back and look at he facts. But I'm not too sure that was the best long term approach. Under normal circumstances, JB would be retiring soon and Hop will take over. The program IMO, wouldn't really miss a beat as long as Hop can coach and win (which I think he can). But now, with the way JB has lashed out, IF Bernie is guilty and IF there is even one iota of a hint that JB knew anything, we will be screwed IMO. JB gets fired and the rest of the staff is probably let go. That will be turmoil and the beat won't just go on. I want to see JB go out on top and the able assistant take over and keep the ship sailing along. I don't want to see JB crash and burn and in turn risk others crashing and the program be in an upheaval which would definitely impact recruiting, national and local perception and of course attendance and TV appearances and $$$$. He could have easily said that he believes Bernie is innocent and he supports him, but will let the process play its way out. That way would have fallen in the middle of the other two long term results, but IMO wouldn't be the perfect storm crash and burn situation that JB may have put us in if all hell breaks loose.

 

[cusetown1]

But Jim said he believes Bernie and is sticking up for him. Why would it matter if he was wrong and this lye (i believe) was actually truth? He wasn't trying to cover up anything, he just believed in his friend.

 

[pfister1]

Not pessimistic about the end result. When it was first announced, I was like everyone else...Oh No. Now I am more like somewhat confident everything will be OK. But what JB did was for the instant gratification of going on the offensive and making people take a step back and look at he facts. But I'm not too sure that was the best long term approach. Under normal circumstances, JB would be retiring soon and Hop will take over. The program IMO, wouldn't really miss a beat as long as Hop can coach and win (which I think he can). But now, with the way JB has lashed out, IF Bernie is guilty and IF there is even one iota of a hint that JB knew anything, we will be screwed IMO. JB gets fired and the rest of the staff is probably let go. That will be turmoil and the beat won't just go on. I want to see JB go out on top and the able assistant take over and keep the ship sailing along. I don't want to see JB crash and burn and in turn risk others crashing and the program be in an upheaval which would definitely impact recruiting, national and local perception and of course attendance and TV appearances and $$$$. He could have easily said that he believes Bernie is innocent and he supports him, but will let the process play its way out. That way would have fallen in the middle of the other two long term results, but IMO wouldn't be the perfect storm crash and burn situation that JB may have put us in if all hell breaks loose.

I'm not sure that turns the tide that Shultz and ESPN had rolling in. His very clear pronouncement that he supported Bernie and this was a pack of lies may have been a big part of what has turned the tide of public opinion. That will be important if it turns out to be true because it will help to put this to rest more quickly. If the allegations turns out to be true the program is screwed whether JB went all in or not. His going all in just guarantees that we'll be trying to recover without him.

 

[ljmilman]

But Jim said he believes Bernie and is sticking up for him. Why would it matter if he was wrong and this lye (i believe) was actually truth? He wasn't trying to cover up anything, he just believed in his friend.

It wouldn't be about his support, it would be the bad press of calling the victims "liars" and accusing them of being "out for money."

 

[moqui]

He could have easily said that he believes Bernie is innocent and he supports him, but will let the process play its way out. That way would have fallen in the middle of the other two long term results, but IMO wouldn't be the perfect storm crash and burn situation that JB may have put us in if all hell breaks loose.

Once Davis began embellishing his tale and claimed that JB had actually seen him lying on Bernie's hotel bed, JB had no choice but to respond forcefully. He had to either call Davis a liar, or else explain why he didn't take any other action at the time (at the very least, tell Bernie that kind of familiarity was inappropriate), or respond more vigorously when the allegations were made a decade and a half later.

 

[Ragman2000]

Once Davis began embellishing his tale and claimed that JB had actually seen him lying on Bernie's hotel bed, JB had no choice but to respond forcefully. He had to either call Davis a liar, or else explain why he didn't take any other action at the time (at the very least, tell Bernie that kind of familiarity was inappropriate), or respond more vigorously when the allegations were made a decade and a half later.

Welcome to the varsity board Moqui. Where you been?

 

[pearl31]

whoa, moqui sighting!

 

[Ragman2000]

whoa, moqui sighting!

Shhh, don't startle him before we get a picture. Moqui is very skiddish and should be approached with caution.

 

[RF2044]

Once Davis began embellishing his tale and claimed that JB had actually seen him lying on Bernie's hotel bed, JB had no choice but to respond forcefully. He had to either call Davis a liar, or else explain why he didn't take any other action at the time (at the very least, tell Bernie that kind of familiarity was inappropriate), or respond more vigorously when the allegations were made a decade and a half later.

Spot on, Moqui, spot on.

 

[rrlbees]

Once Davis began embellishing his tale and claimed that JB had actually seen him lying on Bernie's hotel bed, JB had no choice but to respond forcefully. He had to either call Davis a liar, or else explain why he didn't take any other action at the time (at the very least, tell Bernie that kind of familiarity was inappropriate), or respond more vigorously when the allegations were made a decade and a half later.

He could have said none of the accounts were true. It isn't necessarily what he said but how he said it. Lying money grabbers was not the right way. Everything will be cool about what he said as long as Bernie is innocent. If he is guilty, JB made things worse for himself and the program.

 

[Rossco123]

Once Davis began embellishing his tale and claimed that JB had actually seen him lying on Bernie's hotel bed, JB had no choice but to respond forcefully. He had to either call Davis a liar, or else explain why he didn't take any other action at the time (at the very least, tell Bernie that kind of familiarity was inappropriate), or respond more vigorously when the allegations were made a decade and a half later.

YES ---Welcome back!

 

[cto]

Not pessimistic about the end result. When it was first announced, I was like everyone else...Oh No. Now I am more like somewhat confident everything will be OK. But what JB did was for the instant gratification of going on the offensive and making people take a step back and look at he facts. But I'm not too sure that was the best long term approach. Under normal circumstances, JB would be retiring soon and Hop will take over. The program IMO, wouldn't really miss a beat as long as Hop can coach and win (which I think he can). But now, with the way JB has lashed out, IF Bernie is guilty and IF there is even one iota of a hint that JB knew anything, we will be screwed IMO. JB gets fired and the rest of the staff is probably let go. That will be turmoil and the beat won't just go on. I want to see JB go out on top and the able assistant take over and keep the ship sailing along. I don't want to see JB crash and burn and in turn risk others crashing and the program be in an upheaval which would definitely impact recruiting, national and local perception and of course attendance and TV appearances and $$$$. He could have easily said that he believes Bernie is innocent and he supports him, but will let the process play its way out. That way would have fallen in the middle of the other two long term results, but IMO wouldn't be the perfect storm crash and burn situation that JB may have put us in if all hell breaks loose.

Bees, we hardly ever disagree. But on this, I will. JB obviously felt in his gut (based on a close 47-year friendship and working relationship) that the allegations were BS. JB has never been afraid to speak his mind. His forceful statement last night tempered the media roller coaster ride... and caused people to stop and think. If, in the end, it does not serve him well .... so be it. He knew what he was doing.

 

[orangenauburn]

Bees, we hardly ever disagree. But on this, I will. JB obviously felt in his gut (based on a close 47-year friendship and working relationship) that the allegations were BS. JB has never been afraid to speak his mind. His forceful statement last night tempered the media roller coaster ride... and caused people to stop and think. If, in the end, it does not serve him well .... so be it. He knew what he was doing.

I think JB making a career of being a straight shooter greatly benefited him and the university. The national media respect and trust what JB says - and that was shown throughout the day.

 

[Upstate]

I really think JB understands the power he has in the national spectrum and at the local level. He knows he can be the diversion without really risking too much other than his job, which he is at the tail end of regardless. Its almost genius to create a diversion at this point with JB taking the flack for much lesser ramifications than Fine, but it's almost like JB is turning into the story as opposed to BF.

 

[CuseIsInTheHouse]

He could have said none of the accounts were true. It isn't necessarily what he said but how he said it. Lying money grabbers was not the right way. Everything will be cool about what he said as long as Bernie is innocent. If he is guilty, JB made things worse for himself and the program.

Couldn't agree with you more. It's not that he's defending Fine. He's just being waaaay too aggressive with his comments. Personal attacks on the accusers is not the right way to handle it.

 

[moqui]

Couldn't agree with you more. It's not that he's defending Fine. He's just being waaaay too aggressive with his comments. Personal attacks on the accusers is not the right way to handle it.

there is no room for niceties when somebody implies that you are complicit by negligence in child rape. JB was gentler with them than I would have been . . .

 

[PoppyHart]

Davis was 14-15 in 1987. School was in session on Friday, March 27 and Monday, March 30, when he claims he was in N.O. Any chance the high school's roll call would still exist?

 

[Rossco123]

Bees, we hardly ever disagree. But on this, I will. JB obviously felt in his gut (based on a close 47-year friendship and working relationship) that the allegations were BS. JB has never been afraid to speak his mind. His forceful statement last night tempered the media roller coaster ride... and caused people to stop and think. If, in the end, it does not serve him well .... so be it. He knew what he was doing.

I think that JB also went to plausible deniability in his support of Bernie. The strength of his statements will limit any blowback on the program.