JB Final Four Press Conference 3/31

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Brooky03]

1% of idiots = like 40% of Syracusefan (13:51)

haha

 

[Orange87]

Interesting stuff regarding the NCAA penalties. I was under the impression that Boeheim had said that the vacated wins weren't that big of an issue for him. Not so apparently.

 

[SUMBA]

Interesting stuff regarding the NCAA penalties. I was under the impression that Boeheim had said that the vacated wins weren't that big of an issue for him. Not so apparently.

When discussing the vacated wins last Friday a buddy asked me: Did they also vacate the losses?

Excellent point!

 

[texascpa]

"Would be like you guys winning the Pulitzer Prize. Don't you think. Maybe I shouldn't be bringing that up in this room." LMAO

 

[SUGIANT]

That was pretty cool, gotta love JB.

 

[cuseinseattle]

The best part about it is that he is just antagonizing them. Which I love because I have just as much contempt for them as he does. He basically said they weren't real journalists. You should see the reporters flipping out on twitter like a bunch of clowns over his comments about the sanctions and "academic fraud".

 

[Cootface]

Interesting stuff regarding the NCAA penalties. I was under the impression that Boeheim had said that the vacated wins weren't that big of an issue for him. Not so apparently.

I don't think the quote had anything to do with vacating wins. I read it as him referencing losing the games to his suspension.

 

[cusetown1]

Does anybody know what Zagoria was referring about the ncaa making a mistake? Something about making a mistake in South Carolina .

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Does anybody know what Zagoria was referring about the ncaa making a mistake? Something about making a mistake in South Carolina .

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ly-told-south-carolina-gamecocks-were-tourney

 

[orangenirvana]

That was a great press conference.

Interesting the infractions committee member told him that they have a horrible model. JB probably wasn't supposed to let that out hehe.

I'm glad he touched on the "cheating" label. Difference between cheating and rules that are broken without the head coach's knowledge which don't have any effect on recruiting.

 

[tbonezone]

watched the presser and heard jb say repeatedly he has "no plans" and then read a piece by this dude carlson who states "jb reiterates he's leaving in 2 years". i'm not sure what this guy thought he heard but i didn't get that at all.

 

[Finwad32]

I don't care what anybody says, the day college basketball loses Jim Boeheim is the day that they lose an irreplaceable piece to the puzzle. Such is life, but, anytime any sport loses a face with that much experience and history is a sad day.

 

[DonLightfoot]

That was great, thanks for sharing. Good 'ol JB, shooting from the hip.

 

[Orange87]

I don't think the quote had anything to do with vacating wins. I read it as him referencing losing the games to his suspension.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the vacated wins from his record, not the 5 from this year where he was suspended...

“Losing the [victories] is the most irritating thing to me because there’s many situations and past cases where similar things, exact same things happen, and games were not taken away,” the 71-year-old Boeheim said. “We presented all that stuff, but, you know, nobody listened."

 

[Orange87]

 

[Briancuse]

I don't get this whole cheating narrative thing, maybe someone could help me out. How are any of the things that we got punished for, cheating?

 

[Orange87]

Well technically, if you are found to have broken rules then you have cheated, no?

 

[Briancuse]

Well technically, if you are found to have broken rules then you have cheated, no?

But isn't the whole point of cheating, trying to gain an unfair advantage. How do any of the things we were punished for give us an unfair advantage over anyone. Breaking the rules, yes, but I don't see it as cheating.

 

[Orange87]

But if you're not playing by the rules and your opponents are, then thats an unfair advantage. They are restricted by the rules whereas you are not.

For instance, let's assume Fab Melo stayed eligible for some games because he received satisfactory grades in a class where someone on the basketball staff or some other faculty member did the work for him. That's against the rules. So he plays in a game or games where his play significantly effects the outcome and SU wins.

Had Melo not had someone else do that work, then he would not have gotten the satisfactory grade and not been elgible to play in those games. As a result SU loses those games.

Because SU didn't follow the rules, Melo played and they won. Ergo they cheated.

 

[rstone7727]

Breaking any rule can be interpreted as cheating. By the same token, if you run a red light you are breaking a law so you are technically a criminal.

 

[Briancuse]

But if you're not playing by the rules and your opponents are, then thats an unfair advantage. They are restricted by the rules whereas you are not.

For instance, let's assume Fab Melo stayed eligible for some games because he received satisfactory grades in a class where someone on the basketball staff or some other faculty member did the work for him. That's against the rules. So he plays in a game or games where his play significantly effects the outcome and SU wins.

Had Melo not had someone else do that work, then he would not have gotten the satisfactory grade and not been elgible to play in those games. As a result SU loses those games.

Because SU didn't follow the rules, Melo played and they won. Ergo they cheated.

The thing is this goes on at virtually every program in the country. Syracuse suspended Fab Melo twice, its not like they looked the other way and did nothing. I can assure you at some programs he never would have been punished at all.

 

[Brooky03]

But if you're not playing by the rules and your opponents are, then thats an unfair advantage. They are restricted by the rules whereas you are not.

For instance, let's assume Fab Melo stayed eligible for some games because he received satisfactory grades in a class where someone on the basketball staff or some other faculty member did the work for him. That's against the rules. So he plays in a game or games where his play significantly effects the outcome and SU wins.

Had Melo not had someone else do that work, then he would not have gotten the satisfactory grade and not been elgible to play in those games. As a result SU loses those games.

Because SU didn't follow the rules, Melo played and they won. Ergo they cheated.

Right, but we're talking about like 3 games. The 'cheating' label applied to us is done so in a comprehensive manner. Some are acting as if the 'cheating' was widespread and encompassed all 10 years of the investigation. The non-suspensions for the drug stuff is definitely not cheating because a) it's never even been made clear that those players should have been suspended in the first place, b) the unwritten policy was applied to all athletes in all sports at the school, so using the confusing written policy is like convicting somebody on a technicality b) practically no other schools ever suspend players for drug use or even test for drugs, so we gained no competitive advantage. The Edelin money thing was hardly even a violation, because he was paid for actually doing tangible work, and it didn't impact recruiting or anything on the court. The Fab issue is the only issue and he only played in a handful of games in the 2nd semester that I recall.

Calling Syracuse cheaters over these sanctions is akin to calling somebody a serial killer because they were convicted of involuntary manslaughter one time.

 

[TheCusian]

But if you're not playing by the rules and your opponents are, then thats an unfair advantage. They are restricted by the rules whereas you are not. For instance, let's assume Fab Melo stayed eligible for some games because he received satisfactory grades in a class where someone on the basketball staff or some other faculty member did the work for him. That's against the rules. So he plays in a game or games where his play significantly effects the outcome and SU wins. Had Melo not had someone else do that work, then he would not have gotten the satisfactory grade and not been elgible to play in those games. As a result SU loses those games. Because SU didn't follow the rules, Melo played and they won. Ergo they cheated.

If we cheated, we didn't do it well enough to gain a real advantage. Apparently the right way to do it is to have a systemic and sanctioned method that includes regular students. Also make sure your woman's program is involved so if something sticks, you have someone to throw under the bus.

 

[Orangemen]

The press wants and expects their pound of flesh. And JB will not give it to them

Not only that, he is openly making fun of them with the Pulitzer comment while he is not giving them their pound of flesh.

JB is untouchable at this point and he knows it. He's telling the press to go screw because he can. Him and SU will get lit up in the papers, but he doesn't care, and he shouldn't. He's got one job, and he's doing it pretty damn well.