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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 3448035, member: 237"] Is there some tape somewhere we haven't seen where it's clear that Frank is ages ahead of Jesse at the college level? I'm just asking because from a experience and play standpoint it seems hard to have landed at this conclusion before the results are in. With Jesse overseas, that I get keeps him out of the picture until he can get stateside. Once he is here though wouldn't that make the determination? Not trying to challenge you I just don't get how it could be that obvious unless Frank is a monster and we are missing a ton of what he is all about from the tape/vids out there. [/QUOTE]