JF dont get it

[LIBALL]

He is going to be a stud for somebody.

I hope his parents are making plans to move him. It is quite clear he isn't wanted here. What a shame.

 

[Cusefan69]

Babers isn't going to undermine his philosophy and system to accommodate a marginally better talent.

That's new to us, because we haven't had a consistent offensive philosophy and have attempted to mold the philosophy and system to the talent at hand.

I like the Babers way.

While I don't completely disagree Grotto, the great coaches find ways to optimize strengths. You can maintain the integrity of your approach/philosophy and still say "how can I turn that currently unused talent into a strength?" That presupposes that also JF didn't do something on his end of the equation that put himself in the proverbial"doghouse". Possible weight issues early on maybe? Example perhaps goal line offense (which is a weakness). Design split back formation with Strickland and JF, with Strickland calling the line assignments out...

 

[LIBALL]

People have accused me of being a parent of JF, which I am NOT. But I am a long time follower of the kid. Hint..LI equals Long Island ball. Jordan has always played on a higher level than his peers. I watched one of his high school games where the announcer said Jordan had been on Cuse board since he was in 8th grade. Wow. I have watched him play and he doesn't struggle pass blocking, he played WR while his his older brothers played RB over him in school. He didn't have a problem catching balls from Dungey last year. Now he is on the honor roll?? so grades are not a factor. Yes he may of came into camp heavy and he should of been penalized for it but this is just ridiculous now. He should be allowed to play. The kids gave his verbal in eleventh grade and honored it even as other school tried to make a run at him, such as Wake Forest, Temple, Boston College, North Western, West Virginia, Rutgers, stony Brook,to just name a few. Once he gave his verbal he refused to answer or speak to any other coaches that came to his school to see him. He told his high school Coach he is honoring his commitment. Well now he may need to change his mind. If his parents, family or friends frequent this board. What do you think? Sad to see this happen to such a talented player. As you watch it's hard to believe this is NOT personal. Only time will tell. I wish everyone the best no matter how it turns out.

 

[money3189]

People have accused me of being a parent of JF, which I am NOT. But I am a long time follower of the kid. Hint..LI equals Long Island ball. Jordan has always played on a higher level than his peers. I watched one of his high school games where the announcer said Jordan had been on Cuse board since he was in 8th grade. Wow. I have watched him play and he doesn't struggle pass blocking, he played WR while his his older brothers played RB over him in school. He didn't have a problem catching balls from Dungey last year. Now he is on the honor roll?? so grades are not a factor. Yes he may of came into camp heavy and he should of been penalized for it but this is just ridiculous now. He should be allowed to play. The kids gave his verbal in eleventh grade and honored it even as other school tried to make a run at him, such as Wake Forest, Temple, Boston College, North Western, West Virginia, Rutgers, stony Brook,to just name a few. Once he gave his verbal he refused to answer or speak to any other coaches that came to his school to see him. He told his high school Coach he is honoring his commitment. Well now he may need to change his mind. If his parents, family or friends frequent this board. What do you think? Sad to see this happen to such a talented player. As you watch it's hard to believe this is NOT personal. Only time will tell. I wish everyone the best no matter how it turns out.

it is obvious to everyone JF is the back that gives us a chance to get a running game going. He runs hungry and doesnt drop down on first contact. He is obviously in the dog house and Dino thinks its more important to set the example with him than to use him. Would he be the difference of us winning against NC st FSU and Pitt? We dont know but I doubt is with our line. Dino knows his team and knows what's more important in the long run.
Now, you can have as much passion for him as you like but you dont know what is actually happening behind the scenes. Every kid that gets recruited and commits is taking a risk. These situations are on every teams. My HS team has a kid that is a very good athlete and has a better skill set than our other runners but he has deficiencies in his game that others outside the team dont know about. If I was a outside observer, I would think the coaches have no clue what they are doing, lol. I have a player on the SU team that Im very close with. I know exactly why he is not playing while it maybe a mystery to others. I am not upset because these coaches know what they are doing for the most part and I have no D1 college experience. I can't begin to know what its like to make decisions like that specially at the highest level. Their jobs are on the line. They dont care which teams he didnt sign with or coaches he stop talking to.

 

[LIBALL]

it is obvious to everyone JF is the back that gives us a chance to get a running game going. He runs hungry and doesnt drop down on first contact. He is obviously in the dog house and Dino thinks its more important to set the example with him than to use him. Would he be the difference of us winning against NC st FSU and Pitt? We dont know but I doubt is with our line. Dino knows his team and knows what's more important in the long run.
Now, you can have as much passion for him as you like but you dont know what is actually happening behind the scenes. Every kid that gets recruited and commits is taking a risk. These situations are on every teams. My HS team has a kid that is a very good athlete and has a better skill set than our other runners but he has deficiencies in his game that others outside the team dont know about. If I was a outside observer, I would think the coaches have no clue what they are doing, lol. I have a player on the SU team that Im very close with. I know exactly why he is not playing while it maybe a mystery to others. I am not upset because these coaches know what they are doing for the most part and I have no D1 college experience. I can't begin to know what its like to make decisions like that specially at the highest level. Their jobs are on the line. They dont care which teams he didnt sign with or coaches he stop talking to.

I understand what you are saying. I also know someone one the team as well and a whole lot of players can't understand why he IS NOT playing. Which leads them to think it is personal.

 

[money3189]

I understand what you are saying. I also know someone one the team as well and a whole lot of players can't understand why he IS NOT playing. Which leads them to think it is personal.

and you can be right about that, I just hope it all works out. I was bragging about JF during his jr. in HS. I thought he was vastly under rated and last year proved it. I am just as puzzled as anyone else but I do understand these type of things happen on every team. Can't just blame one side. Both are at fault. I hope the two parties figure it out. If they can't than JF have to consider a fresh start somewhere else. I would be rooting for him where ever he's at and a truly believe Dino will find some guys to get the production.

 

[SWC75]

Early in the season the coaches made the judgement that it would be better if Brisley Estime didn't return kicks so he could concentrate his efforts on being a wide receiver. They game the job to Riley. over the course the season, they realize they were mistaken and gave Brisley back the punt return job and then put him on kick-offs.

It's possible for coaches to decide that they were wrong about a player and that they need his talents out there. I hope they do the same with Fredericks.

 

[SWC75]

Sometimes fans make mistakes too.

How many of you though Ashton Broyld would win multiple Heismans?

I recall that my specific statement was that Broyld looked like Cam Newton in high school. I didn't know if he would turn out to be Cam Newton in college but I wanted to find out with him in a Syracuse uniform.

 

[shandeezy7]

Early in the season the coaches made the judgement that it would be better if Brisley Estime didn't return kicks so he could concentrate his efforts on being a wide receiver. They game the job to Riley. over the course the season, they realize they were mistaken and gave Brisley back the punt return job and then put him on kick-offs.

It's possible for coaches to decide that they were wrong about a player and that they need his talents out there. I hope they do the same with Fredericks.

Except I think they knew Estime was the best kick returner they had, they just didn't want to risk injury with him there. Not sure it's a comparable situation to Fredericks.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Puzzled, too. Does anyone else think it may be because JF hits the hole maybe a split second slower than Strick or Moe? With a young line not able to hold blocks, this could be a possibility...to me, at least. Just thinking out loud....

 

[kcsu]

No i think at this point he has not received a fair shake from the coaches. Doubt he returns.

 

[CuseOnly]

Puzzled, too. Does anyone else think it may be because JF hits the hole maybe a split second slower than Strick or Moe? With a young line not able to hold blocks, this could be a possibility...to me, at least. Just thinking out loud...

Neither one of them hit the hold very fast or hard. Watch on every run play or RPO, as soon as the RB gets the ball the DL crashes and nearly stops them at the LOS or before. This happens about 90% of the time.

I mean literally as soon as Dungey commits and gives the ball, this is not an OL problem. It's a RB problem with not quickly getting through the gaps as well as telegraphing the run.

 

[SWC75]

Except I think they knew Estime was the best kick returner they had, they just didn't want to risk injury with him there. Not sure it's a comparable situation to Fredericks.

It may not be a comparable situation but my main point was: "It's possible for coaches to decide that they were wrong about a player and that they need his talents out there." Coaches know more than fans but sometimes they realize they were wrong about a guy. Back in the 80's Coach Mac and DeLeone stuck with an RB named Harold Gayden "because we believe in his talent" even though he started making moves before he hit the hole and held the ball too gar out from his body. It took 6 games during which we went 1-5 and Gayden ran for 2.9 yards per carry with 8 fumbles before they did what the fans wanted and sent in local kid Robert Drummond, a downhill runner who held onto the ball. We went 4-2 the rest of the way and 11-0 the next with Drummond splitting time with Michael Owens. Coaches aren't perfect and sometimes they realize they are wrong in time to something about it. This might be one of those occasions.

The two great quesiitons about what has happened with this team this eyar are: 1) why are we scoring fewer points when we are gaining so many more yards? and 2) Why is the quarterback having to run the ball so much? The answer to both involves Fredericks. We can't run the ball consistently on conventional running plays so we are having to use the QB as an alternative and we can't sustain drives or punch it in down lose without a productive running attack. I think both situations would improve with Fredericks.