The people who don’t believe JB are same people who believe Mullen was on campus over thanksgiving.
Don’t disagree with much with Pat said, delivery was awful though.Here's the whole show, (as long as they have it up as the first choice):
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Vito's call begins at 24:25. Pat calls in at 1:04:00
There are plenty of reasons to criticize JB, but this episode isn't one of them. He was absolutely right.JB is all good with dissent as long as the facts are right Lol. Remember when he threw a hissy fit because the paper dared to print his record vs Pitino. What's my record vs Belein Donna?
BingoJB slipped and caught himself - he admitted in that interview that Hopkins knew JB wanted to continue to coach. This isn’t difficult to understand. Hop knew JB wanted to continue and did the honorable thing and made it so he didn’t have to push out JB. JB didn’t openly ask him to do that but I am sure Hopkins could sense it.
Yeah, Donna doesn't understand journalism. She has only been the New York sportswriter of the year and this year, has been elected in to the Basketball writers Hall of Fame. Oh, and Mike Waters has also been a New York Sportswriter of the year and he was elected in to the Basketball writers Hall of Fame. We have been blessed.There are plenty of reasons to criticize JB, but this episode isn't one of them. He was absolutely right.
Donna wrote a piece pointing out that some coaches owned JB, notably Pitino and Dixon. The paper did not, as you say, print his record against Pitino and that was a big part of JB's beef. If it had done so, readers would have been reminded that JB at one time owned Pitino, including ousting RP from the Final Four in '87. A glaring omission.
He also had an issue with Donna's focus on coaches he was currently struggling with, while not bothering to mention the successful coaches who couldn't seem to win against him. Hence the Beilein comment. Again, this is COM 101 stuff. Worse, Donna's baffled reaction exposed her as someone who didn't understand basic fundamentals of journalism.
I'll never understand how this piece got past the editor's desk in its published iteration. Unless it was just a case of the PS wanting to piss JB off.
Disclaimer here: I like Donna and think she does a better job than anybody covering Syracuse basketball. I never would have said that when she started, but she has improved dramatically over the years. Her writing is clear, concise and well researched and her pieces are often clever and thoughtful. But she and her employer were just wrong on this one.
I wasn't familiar with this incident, so I Googled it. Apparently this is the article that triggered it. It's not a piece about coaches that owned JB, in which case he'd maybe have a point. It's a game preview for a Syracuse-Louisville game, which points out that Syracuse has lost six straight against Louisville and has struggled to score against their defense - relevant information in a game preview, no?Donna wrote a piece pointing out that some coaches owned JB, notably Pitino and Dixon. The paper did not, as you say, print his record against Pitino and that was a big part of JB's beef. If it had done so, readers would have been reminded that JB at one time owned Pitino, including ousting RP from the Final Four in '87. A glaring omission.
He also had an issue with Donna's focus on coaches he was currently struggling with, while not bothering to mention the successful coaches who couldn't seem to win against him. Hence the Beilein comment. Again, this is COM 101 stuff. Worse, Donna's baffled reaction exposed her as someone who didn't understand basic fundamentals of journalism.
I'll never understand how this piece got past the editor's desk in its published iteration. Unless it was just a case of the PS wanting to piss JB off.
Fwiw, I'm not calling Jim a liar, per se. I believe he believes his "side" of the story. I don't believe he's accepting that Mike knew Jim wanted to continue coaching and wanted to coach his kids.
Go read the thread.Wait.,… that was you. At one point you were leading the charge. Oh…. I know, after it didn’t happen you had to save face and pretend it was all a joke.
JB is thin skinned, always has been, always will beI wasn't familiar with this incident, so I Googled it. Apparently this is the article that triggered it. It's not a piece about coaches that owned JB, in which case he'd maybe have a point. It's a game preview for a Syracuse-Louisville game, which points out that Syracuse has lost six straight against Louisville and has struggled to score against their defense - relevant information in a game preview, no?
Louisville, winners of six straight against SU, has understood how to defend the Orange
Louisville looms like an intricate puzzle for Syracuse players. The Cardinals have won six straight games against the Orange going into today’s noon clash at the new Yum!Center. During that period, SU has struggled to solve Louisville’s defense. The Cardinals...www.syracuse.com
It's not an unfair article and it's not taking a shot at Boeheim as a coach - it's just previewing a game with basic facts about the game/teams/coaches.
Edit to add: Whoever wrote that headline, on the other hand, needs remedial grammar lessons.
Here is the ESPN article on the matter.I wasn't familiar with this incident, so I Googled it. Apparently this is the article that triggered it. It's not a piece about coaches that owned JB, in which case he'd maybe have a point. It's a game preview for a Syracuse-Louisville game, which points out that Syracuse has lost six straight against Louisville and has struggled to score against their defense - relevant information in a game preview, no?
Louisville, winners of six straight against SU, has understood how to defend the Orange
Louisville looms like an intricate puzzle for Syracuse players. The Cardinals have won six straight games against the Orange going into today’s noon clash at the new Yum!Center. During that period, SU has struggled to solve Louisville’s defense. The Cardinals...www.syracuse.com
It's not an unfair article and it's not taking a shot at Boeheim as a coach - it's just previewing a game with basic facts about the game/teams/coaches.
Edit to add: Whoever wrote that headline, on the other hand, needs remedial grammar lessons.
"No idea," Ditota said.
"Well, then you don't know your business," Boeheim said.
"Why would I know that?" Ditota responded. "Why would I know John Beilein's record against you? When is the last time you played John Beilein?"
"This year," Boeheim said. "Mike, you know?"
"I don't think he's ever beaten you," Waters said.
"Yeah, you don't think," Boeheim said. "You're right. That's the way they work here. They think that's cute."
I think my favorite part is the rant about not being judged on a snapshot, and how reporters wouldn't like it if he judged them on six or seven articles when they write a couple hundred a year, all while judging Ditota on one article.Here is the ESPN article on the matter.
Jim Boeheim rants at local media
A dour Jim Boeheim is nothing new. The legendary Syracuse coach often seems less than thrilled with his postgame media responsibilities; his pressers can fluctuate from "wow, I really don't want to be here" apathy to "OK, you guys want to go there, let's GO THERE" annoyance.www.espn.com
So Vito = Cuseball = djcon57? (Can't tell the players without a scorecard.)
Am I the only one that can't sit through the whole thing?
I will sit through the dumbest YouTube videos and I love su basketball but a couple minutes in, I'm out
Im sure Hopkins is a nice guy but who bothers doing the what if thing with a 15-17 win coach?
Go get someone really good and fill the dome if autry fails
He is a big reason why I didn't listen to the whole thing.Jim is the one who brought it up first when asked about Hop’s firing the other day. You’d have to ask him
Pat has always been a pain in the ass of the radio shows.Don’t disagree with much with Pat said, delivery was awful though.
Roy Danforth did well before he left.The same people that hate boeheim and still bash him are the same people that believe everything the media says. This program would be toast without that man. Decades of irrelevancy. Alot of posters weren't around to enjoy boeheim in his prime so it's easier to follow the narrative and bash bash bash.
The same people that hate boeheim and still bash him are the same people that believe everything the media says. This program would be toast without that man. Decades of irrelevancy. Alot of posters weren't around to enjoy boeheim in his prime so it's easier to follow the narrative and bash bash bash.
Pat is a great fan. I love his passion but there is no doubt he goes over the top when he gets rolling on the radio. His comment on the pilot of Syracuse's private jet laughing at Boeheim because he never used it to go out and recruit- true or not- was totally a ridiculous thing to say. Again, an awesome supporter of the program but sometimes gets into the trap of making the show about himself.Pat has always been a pain in the ass of the radio shows.