Just who is Eric Dungey? (Part 2) | Syracusefan.com

Just who is Eric Dungey? (Part 2)

OrangeXtreme said:
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he is certainly right that the hit sure was a cheap hit against CMU and Stanizek. So glad he and they got their revenge last year and that that the kid who made the hit didn't play much. Karma moment occured toward the end of the game with it out of hand in our favor with Stanizek on the sideline and the dome real quite with most having left, me behind the CMU bench, yelled at the top of my lungs for all to hear, "Stanizek this is what karma looks like!".

Dude semiturned around and dropped his head having no doubt heard it. Felt kinda bad.....for about a second.
 
Cuseregular said:
he is certainly right that the hit sure was a cheap hit against CMU and Stanizek. So glad he and they got their revenge last year and that that the kid who made the hit didn't play much. Karma moment occured toward the end of the game with it out of hand in our favor with Stanizek on the sideline and the dome real quite with most having left, me behind the CMU bench, yelled at the top of my lungs for all to hear, "Stanizek this is what karma looks like!".

Dude semiturned around and dropped his head having no doubt heard it. Felt kinda bad...for about a second.
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You should feel bad about feeling bad. The kid deserved worse...
 
Really frustrating. If you get cleared by a doctor specializing in something the in-house doctor is not AND the other player and his family agree - the player should play.
 
OrangePA said:
Should have been suspended for six games.

Still can't get my hands around the idea that Dungey was cleared to play in 2016 but not allowed to do so.
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We would be killing the school if the kid was seriously injured if they brought him back too soon. I'm sorry but the school needs to be extra cautious w this stuff esp in light of the concussion stories out there. If Dungey is eating out of a straw in 10 years and he comes back to sue the medical dept how is that in any way good for the university?

This stuff is complicated and i don't buy what parents say about injuries, etc. If the school was parading kids into dangerous situations u could buy that they were putting the results above the health. SU seems to be doing the opposite and that seems to be the right strategy
 
TheCusian said:
Really frustrating. If you get cleared by a doctor specializing in something the in-house doctor is not AND the other player and his family agree - the player should play.
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This sounds vaguely familiar... haven’t we heard this before?
 
elimunelson said:
We would be killing the school if the kid was seriously injured if they brought him back too soon. I'm sorry but the school needs to be extra cautious w this stuff esp in light of the concussion stories out there. If Dungey is eating out of a straw in 10 years and he comes back to sue the medical dept how is that in any way good for the university?

This stuff is complicated and i don't buy what parents say about injuries, etc. If the school was parading kids into dangerous situations u could buy that they were putting the results above the health. SU seems to be doing the opposite and that seems to be the right strategy
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Dungey’s Dad is an executive in the health industry. His words carry more weight than a normal parents would, IMO.

Also - we get that the school should be careful - but the question of *how careful* should be considered. I don’t buy “you can never be too safe” ... you absolutely can be harmful to your school, program - and student athlete (that’s mentioned in the article). I mean Eric is saying that this thing is something that is actively harming his professional prospects = costing him something.

So, just to play that out - we’re saying “go ahead and risk your body while we rake in millions, but we will sit you and provide a possible professional stigma to protect ourselves, your personal future be damned. Also, we know you have been cleared by a specialist, but still”
 
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Long-time verification for this specific situation... I hated that things were assumed then, and now you hear how the other side felt when they were.

Loved this feature... Great job by the author. I could read these all day.

Wishing for the best of Senior seasons for Eric, whatever that entails.
 
elimunelson said:
We would be killing the school if the kid was seriously injured if they brought him back too soon. I'm sorry but the school needs to be extra cautious w this stuff esp in light of the concussion stories out there. If Dungey is eating out of a straw in 10 years and he comes back to sue the medical dept how is that in any way good for the university?

This stuff is complicated and i don't buy what parents say about injuries, etc. If the school was parading kids into dangerous situations u could buy that they were putting the results above the health. SU seems to be doing the opposite and that seems to be the right strategy
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If I'm remembering correctly, this wasn't just an issue of a few games with Dungey. The medical staff heavily weighed DQ'ing him altogether for concussions. I also remember there being rumblings that Babers was highly upset following the season due to the decisions being made by the medical staff.

SU seems to be overly cautious with its handling of complicated player injuries/ailments. There comes a point where being cautious gets out of hand. I think that the current state of the Syracuse medical staff is teetering on that line. Medical professionals are not psychics. Medical professionals typically specialize in one specific area. I take serious issue with the fact that the medical staff sent him to a specialist and that specialist cleared him; yet still the medical staff didn't budge.

Everyday, I have to commute to work in my vehicle and risk enduring a debilitating accident. That risk doesn't seem to disqualify me from going to work.
 
People in general routinely rally in support of a warrior. Gerry McNamara was a warrior. Eric Dungey embodies the same spirit for the Syracuse football team as Gerry did for the basketball team. Eric Dungey is a warrior. He is our warrior.
 
Orangepace said:
If I'm remembering correctly, this wasn't just an issue of a few games with Dungey. The medical staff heavily weighed DQ'ing him altogether for concussions. I also remember there being rumblings that Babers was highly upset following the season due to the decisions being made by the medical staff.

SU seems to be overly cautious with its handling of complicated player injuries/ailments. There comes a point where being cautious gets out of hand. I think that the current state of the Syracuse medical staff is teetering on that line. Medical professionals are not psychics. Medical professionals typically specialize in one specific area. I take serious issue with the fact that the medical staff sent him to a specialist and that specialist cleared him; yet still the medical staff didn't budge.

Everyday, I have to commute to work in my vehicle and risk enduring a debilitating accident. That risk doesn't seem to disqualify me from going to work.
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SU is a private university. It's not a state university. Entirely different risk profiles regarding potential liability which results in an abundance of caution.

SU isn't going to put "the balance sheet" at risk to win a football game or two.
 
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Orangepace said:
People in general routinely rally in support of a warrior. Gerry McNamara was a warrior. Eric Dungey embodies the same spirit for the Syracuse football team as Gerry did for the basketball team. Eric Dungey is a warrior. He is our warrior.
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Alec Lemon was a warrior.
 
GoSU96 said:
SU is a private university. It's not a state university. Entirely different risk profiles regarding potential liability which results in an abundance of caution.
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People on here talk like they know the situation inside and out. If the player doesn’t like the medical advice they can leave. I would rather a school err on the side of caution. The fact he didn’t transfer is interesting no?

It’s a private school and they need to be smart here w these injuries.
 
TheCusian said:
Dungey’s Dad is an executive in the health industry. His words carry more weight than a normal parents would, IMO.

Also - we get that the school should be careful - but the question of *how careful* should be considered. I don’t buy “you can never be too safe” ... you absolutely can be harmful to your school, program - and student athlete (that’s mentioned in the article). I mean Eric is saying that this thing is something that is actively harming his professional prospects = costing him something.

So, just to play that out - we’re saying “go ahead and risk your body while we rake in millions, but we will sit you and provide a possible professional stigma to protect ourselves, your personal future be damned. Also, we know you have been cleared by a specialist, but still”
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That’s all potentially true but at end of day the student athlete can leave. They are not bound to stay if they feel like Syracuse is unnecessarily stringent on medical decisions. I haven’t read these scholarships but I assume school has final say on playing.
 
TheCusian said:
Dungey’s Dad is an executive in the health industry. His words carry more weight than a normal parents would, IMO.

Also - we get that the school should be careful - but the question of *how careful* should be considered. I don’t buy “you can never be too safe” ... you absolutely can be harmful to your school, program - and student athlete (that’s mentioned in the article). I mean Eric is saying that this thing is something that is actively harming his professional prospects = costing him something.

So, just to play that out - we’re saying “go ahead and risk your body while we rake in millions, but we will sit you and provide a possible professional stigma to protect ourselves, your personal future be damned. Also, we know you have been cleared by a specialist, but still”
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I was an executive in the health industry for three decades. I wouldn't think about questioning a doctor's decision to keep my kid out of a game. I would question his decision to let the kid play and then have him get a repeat injury. :confused:
 
GoSU96 said:
SU is a private university. It's not a state university. Entirely different risk profiles regarding potential liability which results in an abundance of caution.

SU isn't going to put "the balance sheet" at risk to win a football game or two.
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I won't purport to be a legal or medical expert. Disclaimer aside, I would argue that the university is more at risk for liability given the way things played out. They sent him for outside evaluation, yet chose ignore the recommendation of the expert and did not to clear him. They then subsequently cleared him. He had another questionable instance of concussion and was again cleared to play. Not a legal expert, but if a future lawsuit is to come about, given the fact pattern, they would need to have robust documentation of what led them to their decisions in each of these instances. Something tells me that wouldn't exist.

Regardless, I haven't read of any athletes suing Universities for these health related issues. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I would think a case around concussions brought against one would be highly publicized.
 
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elimunelson said:
Yeah the Clark kid who left and, wait for it, was actually hurt.

When we question the doctors we, as a program, have hit rock bottom. They aren’t in a room figuring out a way to scheme us out of bowl games.
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Ok. I’m not defending either way. Once again, I was stating I wasn’t interested in this argument again.

Tomato tomatto - I won’t go to GP if I need an oncologist.
 
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