Just who is Eric Dungey? (Part 2)

[Orangepace]

Yeah the Clark kid who left and, wait for it, was actually hurt.

When we question the doctors we, as a program, have hit rock bottom. They aren’t in a room figuring out a way to scheme us out of bowl games.

Fact check says the Clark kid who left played 12 games last season for Western Michigan. This spring he was medically disqualified again and you assume the two situations are related. They may not be. I haven't seen anywhere that has the information as to why he was disqualified. Could be completely unrelated.

 

[TheCusian]

That’s all potentially true but at end of day the student athlete can leave. They are not bound to stay if they feel like Syracuse is unnecessarily stringent on medical decisions. I haven’t read these scholarships but I assume school has final say on playing.

You’re underlining my point. If your star QB leaves after being cleared by a neurologist and still being held out? You risk damage to the program/school/university from the other direction.

If we suck, it hurts our conference affiliation, which puts a strain on the coffers too.

 

[TheCusian]

Yeah the Clark kid who left and, wait for it, was actually hurt.

When we question the doctors we, as a program, have hit rock bottom. They aren’t in a room figuring out a way to scheme us out of bowl games.

So doctors are above reproach now? C’mon. It’s 100% reasonable to wonder out loud on a message board if they are being too cautious.

 

[elimunelson]

So doctors are above reproach now? C’mon. It’s 100% reasonable to wonder out loud on a message board if they are being too cautious.

Knock yourself out. I’m not saying you can’t but i’m Fairly certain we don’t have 1/2 the facts in the medical decisions going on up at the hill and to determine how suitable they are as team doctors we’re wwayyy over our heads in figuring out. We can argue Dino all day long b/c we see the results on the field but this stuff is played out in doctor’s offices which none of us have any of the underlying info other than the supposed injury.

I don’t buy that we have faulty medical professionals up there is my grander point. Worthy of a message board back and forth? Sure. But it’s going off the grid imo

 

[TheCusian]

I was an executive in the health industry for three decades. I wouldn't think about questioning a doctor's decision to keep my kid out of a game. I would question his decision to let the kid play and then have him get a repeat injury.

I agree *in game* ... but if your kid got examined by a neurologist you trust two weeks later? Someone you talked to as a health professional? You’d *then* after he got cleared, just go with the University’s decision?

Did you read the article?

 

[TheCusian]

Knock yourself out. I’m not saying you can’t but i’m Fairly certain we don’t have 1/2 the facts in the medical decisions going on up at the hill and to determine how suitable they are as team doctors we’re wwayyy over our heads in figuring out. We can argue Dino all day long b/c we see the results on the field but this stuff is played out in doctor’s offices which none of us have any of the underlying info other than the supposed injury.

I don’t buy that we have faulty medical professionals up there is my grander point. Worthy of a message board back and forth? Sure. But it’s going off the grid imo

You’re misunderstanding my arguement. I’ve long agreed that we don’t have enough info.

I’ve not argued that we can diagnose anything or even that we have a good grasp on the truth about the legalties. What we can surmise from 1st hand parent comments, school statements, coaches, and Wildhack is that there is:

1. Not a good, thorough process for communicating with families

2. Not any process for appealing a decision with new or better info from other doctors either condoned by the school (Dungey) or not (Steven)

Basically, if a kid gets disqualified, there is limited communication, no appeal process, and no recourse that leaves both parties satisfied that everything that could be done - was done.

That’s my critique and I feel comfortable coming to that based on available public info.

 

[CousCuse]

A lot of other QB's would have folded up shop by now if they were in ED's clete's and took the shots he has. The guy is tough as nails. If he had an effective running game, he wouldn't have had to try to do it himself and his passing would be much better. Hopefully, this year that will happen. Oline and RB's need the give the same effort as Dungey.

 

[C Bomb]

Alec Lemon was a warrior.

I think he just scored against Missouri again

 

[SU68]

I agree *in game* ... but if your kid got examined by a neurologist you trust two weeks later? Someone you talked to as a health professional? You’d *then* after he got cleared, just go with the University’s decision?

Did you read the article?

I read it Cusian. My point is that, as a health executive, I cannot claim to have more clinical knowledge than MEDICAL professionals. When in doubt, I would defer to them on MEDICAL decisions.

 

[TheCusian]

I read it Cusian. My point is that, as a health executive, I cannot claim to have more clinical knowledge than MEDICAL professionals. When in doubt, I would defer to them on MEDICAL decisions.

Right. And when you get a MEDICAL opinion from a neurologist that gives your kid the all clear and the school still won’t clear you?

As a health executive you’d trust the school doctors over the neurologist?! The general practitioner over the specialist?

 

[MadNY3]

Only on SyracuseFan.com can a shrine-like article turn into a Holy War on medical procedures.

 

[Chip]

Fact check says the Clark kid who left played 12 games last season for Western Michigan. This spring he was medically disqualified again and you assume the two situations are related. They may not be. I haven't seen anywhere that has the information as to why he was disqualified. Could be completely unrelated.

I’m giving our medical staff the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Parental inputs notwithstanding, I can’t imagine why any SU fan wouldn’t.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

I forget the opponent or if it was his Frosh or Soph year but there was another instance where Dungey was hit & laid completely motionless on the Dome field for 2-3 seconds before bouncing back up. He attempted to return to the huddle before a trainer intercepted him & he was walked to the locker room but later returned to the game. This occurrence never seems to be mentioned on the board or in articles when his injuries are discussed. I’m pretty sure it was a conference game.

EDIT: found it. vs. Pitt in 2015, 50 sec mark

 

[orange79]

Fire Will Hicks!!!!

Oops - wrong thread

 

[City of Cuse]

Fact check says the Clark kid who left played 12 games last season for Western Michigan. This spring he was medically disqualified again and you assume the two situations are related. They may not be. I haven't seen anywhere that has the information as to why he was disqualified. Could be completely unrelated.

Former Syracuse DT Steven Clark DQ'd at Western Michigan due to clotting incident

 

[SU68]

Right. And when you get a MEDICAL opinion from a neurologist that gives your kid the all clear and the school still won’t clear you?

As a health executive you’d trust the school doctors over the neurologist?! The general practitioner over the specialist?

As a parent, if two or more doctors disagree over a diagnosis, I would err on the side of caution. I would rather have a healthy son who didn't play any more over a son who the specialist cleared to play and then had a repeat injury. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[TheCusian]

As a parent, if two or more doctors disagree over a diagnosis, I would err on the side of caution. I would rather have a healthy son who didn't play any more over a son who the specialist cleared to play and then had a repeat injury. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

Agree to disagree... info from a neurologist is good for enough me. There’s a ton of risk in football. If you want air on the side of safety, push your kid to play a sport with less risk.

If it’s about keeping the kid safe and you get a specialist to clear him - and the school still won’t let him play - they are prioritizing their risk over anything. And that’s an issue.

 

[elimunelson]

Agree to disagree... info from a neurologist is good for enough me. There’s a ton of risk in football. If you want air on the side of safety, push your kid to play a sport with less risk.

If it’s about keeping the kid safe and you get a specialist to clear him - and the school still won’t let him play - they are prioritizing their risk over anything. And that’s an issue.

There is also an agenda by the Dungey family here at play and his prospects for playing in the NFL. He needs to show he's healthy enough to get drafted. They are gonna place blame on the Orange staff for being too conservative, whether they believe that or not, so the NFL teams don't red flag Dungey out of being drafted.

I get their motive and would want to pursue the "Syracuse has uber conservative doctors" narrative.

 

[TheCusian]

There is also an agenda by the Dungey family here at play and his prospects for playing in the NFL. He needs to show he's healthy enough to get drafted. They are gonna place blame on the Orange staff for being too conservative, whether they believe that or not, so the NFL teams don't red flag Dungey out of being drafted.

I get their motive and would want to pursue the "Syracuse has uber conservative doctors" narrative.

That’s a fair counterpoint. I wasn’t basing my opinion on the families opinion (although his Dad dealing with healthcare stuff as an exec helps) - I was basing it on the neurologist’s report that cleared him. That’s the specific instance I find that the school was too cautious.

 

[SmilinBob]

Simply stated....I want ED to have a wonderful full 13 game senior season and then to play in the NFL and to not have any complications regarding head injuries for the rest of his life.