Kadary's minutes

[Cuseball]

Was bored and had a look at the minutes for recruits rated somewhat comparably to Kadary in the 24* ratings. From what I can see and anyone who looks rationally, Kadary got more minutes than most and far more than those closer to his #89 rating. Draw what ever conclusion you want but kadary played plenty. If he wanted a guaranteed 35+ minutes then good luck elsewhere.

Ranking			GP	Minutes/Game	Pts	Reb
47	Matthew Murrell	Ole Miss	28	17.2	4.2	2.0
48	Frank Kepnang	Oregon	17	8.0	2.6	1.2
49	Samson Ruzhentsev	Florida	20	7.4	2.0	0.7
50	Dwon Odom	Xavier	19	22.2	6.6	2.6
51	Andre Jackson	uconn	16	16.1	2.7	2.9
52	Hunter Dickinson	Michigan	27	24.7	14.2	7.6
53	Bennedict Mathurin	Arizona	26	25.0	10.8	4.8
54	Jaemyn Brakefield	Duke	22	12.5	3.5	2.5
55	JT Thorr	Auburn	27	23.3	9.4	5.0
56	Kai Soto
57	Azoulas Tubelis	Arizona	26	26.7	12.2	7.1
58	Marjon Beauchamp	Pro
59	RJ Davis	UNC	29	22.3	8.4	2.3
60	Andre Curbelo	Illinois	31	21.5	9.1	4.0
61	Cliff Omoruyi	Rutgers	23	14.9	3.8	4.0
62	Alex Fudge	LSU	DNP
63	Matthew Alexander Moncrief	OSU	28	21.9	9.0	5.3
64	Deivon Smith	Miss State	33	22.5	5.2	3.6
65	Micah Peavy	Texas Tech	29	20.3	5.7	3.1
66	Ian Martinez	Utah	25	15.8	5.2	1.9
67	Kenyon Martin	Pro
68	Keer Krissa	Arizona	8	22.9	5.5	0.5
69	Puff Johnson	UNC	14	4.1	1.1	0.5
70	Reece Beekman	Virginia	25	29.4	4.7	2.8
71	Rati Andronikasvili	Creighton
72	PJ Hall	Clemson	21	10.0	3.5	2.0
73	Chibuzo Agbo	Texas Tech	22	6.4	2.0	0.8
74	Cam Hayes	NC State	23	23.5	7.8	2.4
75	James Graham	Maryland	8	4.5	1.3	1.3
76	Julian Strawther	Gonzaga	23	8.0	3.6	1.3
77	Isiah Cottrell	West Virginia	10	5.6	1.6	1.4
78	Osasere Ighodaro	Marquette	5	7.6	1.2	1.2
79	Jaxson Robinson	Texas A&M	14	9.7	2.1	1.1
80	Jaylen Clark	UCLA	29	9.2	2.6	2.5
81	Jalen Terry	Oregon	20	11.6	2.9	1.2
82	Carter Whitt	Wake Forest	19	22.4	4.7	2.2
83	Mwhani Wilkinson	LSU	27	17.0	3.6	2.7
84	JJ Traynor	Louisville	20	13.1	3.9	2.0
85	Camron Fletcher	Kentucky	9	6.6	1.7	1.7
86	Dominick Harris	Gonzaga	23	7.7	3.2	0.7
87	Oliver Maxence-Prosper	Clemson	22	9.7	2.5	1.9
88	Alex Tchikou	Alabama
89	Kadary Richmond	Syracuse	28	21.0	6.3	2.6

 

[two3zone]

Was bored and had a look at the minutes for recruits rated somewhat comparably to Kadary in the 24* ratings. From what I can see and anyone who looks rationally, Kadary got more minutes than most and far more than those closer to his #89 rating. Draw what ever conclusion you want but kadary played plenty. If he wanted a guaranteed 35+ minutes then good luck elsewhere.

Ranking			GP	Minutes/Game	Pts	Reb
47	Matthew Murrell	Ole Miss	28	17.2	4.2	2.0
48	Frank Kepnang	Oregon	17	8.0	2.6	1.2
49	Samson Ruzhentsev	Florida	20	7.4	2.0	0.7
50	Dwon Odom	Xavier	19	22.2	6.6	2.6
51	Andre Jackson	uconn	16	16.1	2.7	2.9
52	Hunter Dickinson	Michigan	27	24.7	14.2	7.6
53	Bennedict Mathurin	Arizona	26	25.0	10.8	4.8
54	Jaemyn Brakefield	Duke	22	12.5	3.5	2.5
55	JT Thorr	Auburn	27	23.3	9.4	5.0
56	Kai Soto
57	Azoulas Tubelis	Arizona	26	26.7	12.2	7.1
58	Marjon Beauchamp	Pro
59	RJ Davis	UNC	29	22.3	8.4	2.3
60	Andre Curbelo	Illinois	31	21.5	9.1	4.0
61	Cliff Omoruyi	Rutgers	23	14.9	3.8	4.0
62	Alex Fudge	LSU	DNP
63	Matthew Alexander Moncrief	OSU	28	21.9	9.0	5.3
64	Deivon Smith	Miss State	33	22.5	5.2	3.6
65	Micah Peavy	Texas Tech	29	20.3	5.7	3.1
66	Ian Martinez	Utah	25	15.8	5.2	1.9
67	Kenyon Martin	Pro
68	Keer Krissa	Arizona	8	22.9	5.5	0.5
69	Puff Johnson	UNC	14	4.1	1.1	0.5
70	Reece Beekman	Virginia	25	29.4	4.7	2.8
71	Rati Andronikasvili	Creighton
72	PJ Hall	Clemson	21	10.0	3.5	2.0
73	Chibuzo Agbo	Texas Tech	22	6.4	2.0	0.8
74	Cam Hayes	NC State	23	23.5	7.8	2.4
75	James Graham	Maryland	8	4.5	1.3	1.3
76	Julian Strawther	Gonzaga	23	8.0	3.6	1.3
77	Isiah Cottrell	West Virginia	10	5.6	1.6	1.4
78	Osasere Ighodaro	Marquette	5	7.6	1.2	1.2
79	Jaxson Robinson	Texas A&M	14	9.7	2.1	1.1
80	Jaylen Clark	UCLA	29	9.2	2.6	2.5
81	Jalen Terry	Oregon	20	11.6	2.9	1.2
82	Carter Whitt	Wake Forest	19	22.4	4.7	2.2
83	Mwhani Wilkinson	LSU	27	17.0	3.6	2.7
84	JJ Traynor	Louisville	20	13.1	3.9	2.0
85	Camron Fletcher	Kentucky	9	6.6	1.7	1.7
86	Dominick Harris	Gonzaga	23	7.7	3.2	0.7
87	Oliver Maxence-Prosper	Clemson	22	9.7	2.5	1.9
88	Alex Tchikou	Alabama
89	Kadary Richmond	Syracuse	28	21.0	6.3	2.6

Guess we should’ve kept him around 8 minutes a game. Jim did Kadary a huge favor. What a nice guy.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Was bored and had a look at the minutes for recruits rated somewhat comparably to Kadary in the 24* ratings. From what I can see and anyone who looks rationally, Kadary got more minutes than most and far more than those closer to his #89 rating. Draw what ever conclusion you want but kadary played plenty. If he wanted a guaranteed 35+ minutes then good luck elsewhere.

Ranking			GP	Minutes/Game	Pts	Reb
47	Matthew Murrell	Ole Miss	28	17.2	4.2	2.0
48	Frank Kepnang	Oregon	17	8.0	2.6	1.2
49	Samson Ruzhentsev	Florida	20	7.4	2.0	0.7
50	Dwon Odom	Xavier	19	22.2	6.6	2.6
51	Andre Jackson	uconn	16	16.1	2.7	2.9
52	Hunter Dickinson	Michigan	27	24.7	14.2	7.6
53	Bennedict Mathurin	Arizona	26	25.0	10.8	4.8
54	Jaemyn Brakefield	Duke	22	12.5	3.5	2.5
55	JT Thorr	Auburn	27	23.3	9.4	5.0
56	Kai Soto
57	Azoulas Tubelis	Arizona	26	26.7	12.2	7.1
58	Marjon Beauchamp	Pro
59	RJ Davis	UNC	29	22.3	8.4	2.3
60	Andre Curbelo	Illinois	31	21.5	9.1	4.0
61	Cliff Omoruyi	Rutgers	23	14.9	3.8	4.0
62	Alex Fudge	LSU	DNP
63	Matthew Alexander Moncrief	OSU	28	21.9	9.0	5.3
64	Deivon Smith	Miss State	33	22.5	5.2	3.6
65	Micah Peavy	Texas Tech	29	20.3	5.7	3.1
66	Ian Martinez	Utah	25	15.8	5.2	1.9
67	Kenyon Martin	Pro
68	Keer Krissa	Arizona	8	22.9	5.5	0.5
69	Puff Johnson	UNC	14	4.1	1.1	0.5
70	Reece Beekman	Virginia	25	29.4	4.7	2.8
71	Rati Andronikasvili	Creighton
72	PJ Hall	Clemson	21	10.0	3.5	2.0
73	Chibuzo Agbo	Texas Tech	22	6.4	2.0	0.8
74	Cam Hayes	NC State	23	23.5	7.8	2.4
75	James Graham	Maryland	8	4.5	1.3	1.3
76	Julian Strawther	Gonzaga	23	8.0	3.6	1.3
77	Isiah Cottrell	West Virginia	10	5.6	1.6	1.4
78	Osasere Ighodaro	Marquette	5	7.6	1.2	1.2
79	Jaxson Robinson	Texas A&M	14	9.7	2.1	1.1
80	Jaylen Clark	UCLA	29	9.2	2.6	2.5
81	Jalen Terry	Oregon	20	11.6	2.9	1.2
82	Carter Whitt	Wake Forest	19	22.4	4.7	2.2
83	Mwhani Wilkinson	LSU	27	17.0	3.6	2.7
84	JJ Traynor	Louisville	20	13.1	3.9	2.0
85	Camron Fletcher	Kentucky	9	6.6	1.7	1.7
86	Dominick Harris	Gonzaga	23	7.7	3.2	0.7
87	Oliver Maxence-Prosper	Clemson	22	9.7	2.5	1.9
88	Alex Tchikou	Alabama
89	Kadary Richmond	Syracuse	28	21.0	6.3	2.6

Very interesting. This is with both starting guards returning last year. How could he expect more minutes.

 

[Todd23]

Don't forget, his average minutes is skewed a bit by the games Buddy Boeheim missed. His average MPG in games where the backcourt was at full strength was lower than the 21.0. I don't know how much lower, but certainly lower.

 

[two3zone]

Very interesting. This is with both starting guards returning last year. How could he expect more minutes.

By out playing the starter?

 

[Cuseball]

Very interesting. This is with both starting guards returning last year. How could he expect more minutes.

yep he shouldn't have expected more. I also noticed a lot of these kids in this range are transferring. Hard to keep everyone happy

 

[Cuseball]

Guess we should’ve kept him around 8 minutes a game. Jim did Kadary a huge favor. What a nice guy.

I'm not sure that has anything to do with the stats I posted but keep going

 

[CuseFaninVT]

yep he shouldn't have expected more. I also noticed a lot of these kids in this range are transferring. Hard to keep everyone happy

How many of those other kids were playing behind a starter significantly worse at one or more parts of the expectations of the position?

 

[two3zone]

I'm not sure that has anything to do with the stats I posted but keep going

My point is what does it matter what all the other players around his ranking played? If you’re good you play if you’re not effective you don’t.

 

[CU44SE]

Dont have time to look up everyone else on that list. But when Kadary excels over the starter at everything except shooting (and I already know another smart Alex response that is coming), I understand his displeasure. I don’t know how those other situations stack up. But with my own eyes, there was 0 reason why joe was getting so much time over Kadary. And it’s strange that at the end of the year when we went on our little run; there was 2 players that miraculously started to get more minutes.

 

[Cuseball]

How many of those other kids were playing behind a starter significantly worse at one or more parts of the expectations of the position?

I don't know and will not be examining each roster to come up with the answer. How many of those that played more played for teams that didnt even sniff the post season. If Kadary was smart he would have had realistic expectations. He's good but he's not top 30 good. Good luck to him elsewhere. If this was the worst adversity he had to overcome he's in for a charmed life.

 

[two3zone]

I don't know and will not be examining each roster to come up with the answer. How many of those that played more played for teams that didnt even sniff the post season. If Kadary was smart he would have had realistic expectations. He's good but he's not top 30 good. Good luck to him elsewhere. If this was the worst adversity he had to overcome he's in for a charmed life.

When you’re talking about someone’s future and potential millions of dollars then it is an issue, especially when anybody with eyes, a computer, and common sense can see who should be starting and getting the much higher amount of minutes.

 

[kcsu]

Was bored and had a look at the minutes for recruits rated somewhat comparably to Kadary in the 24* ratings. From what I can see and anyone who looks rationally, Kadary got more minutes than most and far more than those closer to his #89 rating. Draw what ever conclusion you want but kadary played plenty. If he wanted a guaranteed 35+ minutes then good luck elsewhere.

Ranking			GP	Minutes/Game	Pts	Reb
47	Matthew Murrell	Ole Miss	28	17.2	4.2	2.0
48	Frank Kepnang	Oregon	17	8.0	2.6	1.2
49	Samson Ruzhentsev	Florida	20	7.4	2.0	0.7
50	Dwon Odom	Xavier	19	22.2	6.6	2.6
51	Andre Jackson	uconn	16	16.1	2.7	2.9
52	Hunter Dickinson	Michigan	27	24.7	14.2	7.6
53	Bennedict Mathurin	Arizona	26	25.0	10.8	4.8
54	Jaemyn Brakefield	Duke	22	12.5	3.5	2.5
55	JT Thorr	Auburn	27	23.3	9.4	5.0
56	Kai Soto
57	Azoulas Tubelis	Arizona	26	26.7	12.2	7.1
58	Marjon Beauchamp	Pro
59	RJ Davis	UNC	29	22.3	8.4	2.3
60	Andre Curbelo	Illinois	31	21.5	9.1	4.0
61	Cliff Omoruyi	Rutgers	23	14.9	3.8	4.0
62	Alex Fudge	LSU	DNP
63	Matthew Alexander Moncrief	OSU	28	21.9	9.0	5.3
64	Deivon Smith	Miss State	33	22.5	5.2	3.6
65	Micah Peavy	Texas Tech	29	20.3	5.7	3.1
66	Ian Martinez	Utah	25	15.8	5.2	1.9
67	Kenyon Martin	Pro
68	Keer Krissa	Arizona	8	22.9	5.5	0.5
69	Puff Johnson	UNC	14	4.1	1.1	0.5
70	Reece Beekman	Virginia	25	29.4	4.7	2.8
71	Rati Andronikasvili	Creighton
72	PJ Hall	Clemson	21	10.0	3.5	2.0
73	Chibuzo Agbo	Texas Tech	22	6.4	2.0	0.8
74	Cam Hayes	NC State	23	23.5	7.8	2.4
75	James Graham	Maryland	8	4.5	1.3	1.3
76	Julian Strawther	Gonzaga	23	8.0	3.6	1.3
77	Isiah Cottrell	West Virginia	10	5.6	1.6	1.4
78	Osasere Ighodaro	Marquette	5	7.6	1.2	1.2
79	Jaxson Robinson	Texas A&M	14	9.7	2.1	1.1
80	Jaylen Clark	UCLA	29	9.2	2.6	2.5
81	Jalen Terry	Oregon	20	11.6	2.9	1.2
82	Carter Whitt	Wake Forest	19	22.4	4.7	2.2
83	Mwhani Wilkinson	LSU	27	17.0	3.6	2.7
84	JJ Traynor	Louisville	20	13.1	3.9	2.0
85	Camron Fletcher	Kentucky	9	6.6	1.7	1.7
86	Dominick Harris	Gonzaga	23	7.7	3.2	0.7
87	Oliver Maxence-Prosper	Clemson	22	9.7	2.5	1.9
88	Alex Tchikou	Alabama
89	Kadary Richmond	Syracuse	28	21.0	6.3	2.6

He wanted what he earned. To start

 

[wfschrec]

I don't know and will not be examining each roster to come up with the answer. How many of those that played more played for teams that didnt even sniff the post season. If Kadary was smart he would have had realistic expectations. He's good but he's not top 30 good. Good luck to him elsewhere. If this was the worst adversity he had to overcome he's in for a charmed life.

24 of the 42 listed were on tourney teams and a couple of those listed are playing pro so it's well over 50% ... he deserved to start, period.

 

[OrangeDW]

And how do Joe’s minutes compare to the other kids ranked in the top 775 range or whatever?

 

[realorange]

Kadary wanted to start. My guess is that JB told him that might or might not happen but that he would be sharing time with JG.

He was getting almost equal time towards the end of the season when he wasn't hurt. But, he wants to start because in his mind he needs that to get to the pros in another year.

Seems we had a pretty good player, not that many years ago, that didn't start, but made it into the pros with his play.

 

[pokercuse08]

Seems we had a pretty good player, not that many years ago, that didn't start, but made it into the pros with his play.

Seems "I made the better player come off the bench behind a weaker player once before and he was a lottery pick, so let's make you come off the bench behind a weaker player too and see what happens," wasn't very convincing for Kadary. Consider me shocked.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Kadary wanted to start. My guess is that JB told him that might or might not happen but that he would be sharing time with JG.

He was getting almost equal time towards the end of the season when he wasn't hurt. But, he wants to start because in his mind he needs that to get to the pros in another year.

Seems we had a pretty good player, not that many years ago, that didn't start, but made it into the pros with his play.

Pretty slick how JB made sure he didn’t need to have the same conversation with his backup shooting guard.

 

[Scooch]

Kadary didn’t talk about minutes today. He talked about “restrictions”. I suspect they are two different issues.

 

[albanycuse]

Kadary was underrated so that’s meaningless. He deserved as much time as Buddy and more than Girard.

 

[Willy75]

The hyperbole over Kadary’s talents is absurd. He was a promising player on a mediocre team in a down year for the ACC. He wasn’t the second coming of Michael Jordan, or someone who could take over a game and score in bunches. I’m not a savant but to me his quote suggests he didn’t want to play a complicated defense. Fair enough, for years the point has been made that the zone doesn’t help you get to the NBA.
Boeheim has won over 1k games, been to multiple Final Fours, won a national and several Olympic titles. He’s got some warts but the brickbats being thrown today (which by the way totally ignore the impact of COVID on the team and individual players) are just crazy.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

The hyperbole over Kadary’s talents is absurd. He was a promising player on a mediocre team in a down year for the ACC. He wasn’t the second coming of Michael Jordan, or someone who could take over a game and score in bunches. I’m not a savant but to me his quote suggests he didn’t want to play a complicated defense. Fair enough, for years the point has been made that the zone doesn’t help you get to the NBA.
Boeheim has won over 1k games, been to multiple Final Fours, won a national and several Olympic titles. He’s got some warts but the brickbats being thrown today (which by the way totally ignore the impact of COVID on the team and individual players) are just crazy.

If you’re comparing him to Jordan, you didn’t understand what position he actually plays

 

[Willy75]

If you’re comparing him to Jordan, you didn’t understand what position he actually plays

Would Chris Paul make you happier?

 

[NineOneSeven]

Would Chris Paul make you happier?

Yes thank you. With the defensive ability of Gary "the glove" Payton.

 

[OrangeDW]

Did you watch Kentucky this year? They need any warm bodies they can find, preferably someone who can shoot.

I bet they’ll be better than us next year though like they usually are.