Kadary's minutes

[OrangeDW]

The hyperbole over Kadary’s talents is absurd. He was a promising player on a mediocre team in a down year for the ACC. He wasn’t the second coming of Michael Jordan, or someone who could take over a game and score in bunches. I’m not a savant but to me his quote suggests he didn’t want to play a complicated defense. Fair enough, for years the point has been made that the zone doesn’t help you get to the NBA.
Boeheim has won over 1k games, been to multiple Final Fours, won a national and several Olympic titles. He’s got some warts but the brickbats being thrown today (which by the way totally ignore the impact of COVID on the team and individual players) are just crazy.

Noted. You’ll see.

 

[pokercuse08]

I think Kadary should have played more but I believe it sucking it up and making it impossible to leave you on the bench.

He played well enough this year to make it impossible to leave him on the bench, then Boeheim did it anyway.

Once his name hit the portal I am done with him. Move on and focus on what can be done to make Cuse better.

What can be done to make 'Cuse better? How about having a head coach fully committed to recruiting and retaining the best talent possible?

 

[Nicknack]

yep he shouldn't have expected more. I also noticed a lot of these kids in this range are transferring. Hard to keep everyone happy

Are you actually saying Kadary shouldn't have expected more minutes? If in fact I am, you have lost your damn mind. Your post could be nominated for worst post of the year, next to Hulk's handful of winners.

 

[Sherman20]

Was bored and had a look at the minutes for recruits rated somewhat comparably to Kadary in the 24* ratings. From what I can see and anyone who looks rationally, Kadary got more minutes than most and far more than those closer to his #89 rating. Draw what ever conclusion you want but kadary played plenty. If he wanted a guaranteed 35+ minutes then good luck elsewhere.

Ranking			GP	Minutes/Game	Pts	Reb
47	Matthew Murrell	Ole Miss	28	17.2	4.2	2.0
48	Frank Kepnang	Oregon	17	8.0	2.6	1.2
49	Samson Ruzhentsev	Florida	20	7.4	2.0	0.7
50	Dwon Odom	Xavier	19	22.2	6.6	2.6
51	Andre Jackson	uconn	16	16.1	2.7	2.9
52	Hunter Dickinson	Michigan	27	24.7	14.2	7.6
53	Bennedict Mathurin	Arizona	26	25.0	10.8	4.8
54	Jaemyn Brakefield	Duke	22	12.5	3.5	2.5
55	JT Thorr	Auburn	27	23.3	9.4	5.0
56	Kai Soto
57	Azoulas Tubelis	Arizona	26	26.7	12.2	7.1
58	Marjon Beauchamp	Pro
59	RJ Davis	UNC	29	22.3	8.4	2.3
60	Andre Curbelo	Illinois	31	21.5	9.1	4.0
61	Cliff Omoruyi	Rutgers	23	14.9	3.8	4.0
62	Alex Fudge	LSU	DNP
63	Matthew Alexander Moncrief	OSU	28	21.9	9.0	5.3
64	Deivon Smith	Miss State	33	22.5	5.2	3.6
65	Micah Peavy	Texas Tech	29	20.3	5.7	3.1
66	Ian Martinez	Utah	25	15.8	5.2	1.9
67	Kenyon Martin	Pro
68	Keer Krissa	Arizona	8	22.9	5.5	0.5
69	Puff Johnson	UNC	14	4.1	1.1	0.5
70	Reece Beekman	Virginia	25	29.4	4.7	2.8
71	Rati Andronikasvili	Creighton
72	PJ Hall	Clemson	21	10.0	3.5	2.0
73	Chibuzo Agbo	Texas Tech	22	6.4	2.0	0.8
74	Cam Hayes	NC State	23	23.5	7.8	2.4
75	James Graham	Maryland	8	4.5	1.3	1.3
76	Julian Strawther	Gonzaga	23	8.0	3.6	1.3
77	Isiah Cottrell	West Virginia	10	5.6	1.6	1.4
78	Osasere Ighodaro	Marquette	5	7.6	1.2	1.2
79	Jaxson Robinson	Texas A&M	14	9.7	2.1	1.1
80	Jaylen Clark	UCLA	29	9.2	2.6	2.5
81	Jalen Terry	Oregon	20	11.6	2.9	1.2
82	Carter Whitt	Wake Forest	19	22.4	4.7	2.2
83	Mwhani Wilkinson	LSU	27	17.0	3.6	2.7
84	JJ Traynor	Louisville	20	13.1	3.9	2.0
85	Camron Fletcher	Kentucky	9	6.6	1.7	1.7
86	Dominick Harris	Gonzaga	23	7.7	3.2	0.7
87	Oliver Maxence-Prosper	Clemson	22	9.7	2.5	1.9
88	Alex Tchikou	Alabama
89	Kadary Richmond	Syracuse	28	21.0	6.3	2.6

Nice work! That’s def eye opening. JB should have handed this to Kadary during their meeting. Lol. Of course the old man should’ve then said, don’t worry, as long as you work hard in the off-season, you’ll be the starting PG and given the keys next season and play 30+ mpg.

 

[GoSU96]

Don't forget, his average minutes is skewed a bit by the games Buddy Boeheim missed. His average MPG in games where the backcourt was at full strength was lower than the 21.0. I don't know how much lower, but certainly lower.

14 games playing 20 or more, another 10 between 15 and 19.

The other four, 9 vs Bryant, 6 vs Gtown, 10 vs NCSt in the ACC Tourney, and 14 vs WVU.

Not exactly the profile of a guy glued to the bench and looking over his shoulder.

 

[Sherman20]

Don't forget, his average minutes is skewed a bit by the games Buddy Boeheim missed. His average MPG in games where the backcourt was at full strength was lower than the 21.0. I don't know how much lower, but certainly lower.

But they’re also skewed lower by his injury late in the season, which reduced how much JB could play him. He was visibly limping against Clemson and in the ACC tourney and told the trainer before one of the games that he didn’t think he could even play. He would have played more at the end of the season if not for the tendinitis.

 

[GoSU96]

When you’re talking about someone’s future and potential millions of dollars then it is an issue, especially when anybody with eyes, a computer, and common sense can see who should be starting and getting the much higher amount of minutes.

You know one thing Joe apparently didn't have, tendonitis.

Just maybe that had something to do with the decision making process.

 

[GoSU96]

My point is what does it matter what all the other players around his ranking played? If you’re good you play if you’re not effective you don’t.

And yet when Joe played 29 or more minutes SU was 11-2.

26 or less 7-8.

I guess when he played more they won in spite of him.

 

[Nicknack]

And yet when Joe played 29 or more minutes SU was 11-2.

26 or less 7-8.

I guess when he played more they won in spite of him.

Joe should have played only about 20 minutes a game, at most. What are the stats on that? A few of you guys are so stubborn on your takes it reminds of an old coach who seems past his time.

 

[TheHaze315]

Very interesting. This is with both starting guards returning last year. How could he expect more minutes.

By being better than the other point guard on the roster, and by a very very wide margin.

 

[GoSU96]

Joe should have played only about 20 minutes a game, at most. What are the stats on that? A few of you guys are so stubborn on your takes it reminds of an old coach who seems past his time.

I thought the object was to win, one data point shows they win at a higher percentage with Joe playing 30

 

[TheCusian]

Guess we should’ve kept him around 8 minutes a game. Jim did Kadary a huge favor. What a nice guy.

I wouldn't call it a favor; I'd call it coaching. It's undoubtedly what he needed.

He'll appreciate it in 10 years or so, if not in say October

 

[TheCusian]

Noted. You’ll see.

Let's lay some markers then.

What will we see? All-conference? NBA top-ten pick?

(Obviously we won't know if he would have reached those same highs here - I suspect yes)

 

[TheCusian]

I keep reading that Joe should have given up his minutes as soon as Kadary earned the job by being better by a "very, very wide margin" ... which is weird to say with such conviction, if the guy making the decision is a better D1 coach than you by larger margin.

 

[OrangeDW]

Let's lay some markers then.

What will we see? All-conference? NBA top-ten pick?

(Obviously we won't know if he would have reached those same highs here - I suspect yes)

“Top 10”...he can be a lot less than that and still be our best NBA prospect since Grant. Unfortunately not ours anymore.

I’ll go with : better NBA career than anyone on our roster this season or next season.

Id bite on all conference, but I have never quite trusted them to not be stupid ever since Troy Bell got Big East player of the year over Carmelo.